How much should a Pistol de-value over time?

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So might be a odd question, and maybe someone else is thinking the same but here goes.

How well do Handguns(or rifles) Hold value. If you bought a pistol say a CZ( just a example), for over a 1000.00 mark, would within the first couple years, and low round count keep the value up to close to what you paid etc? What would the average value of something go down?. 10-15-20-50%? I do understand of course it makes a difference on make and model etc etc, but should pistols retain some value even over time??
Some opinions please.
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Well if its on the EE they up-value. I have seen countless clearly used guns for the same price as a brand new one or more.

I think CZ is good quality so it will hold up close to new price. Lets say you paid 1200 and shot it 1000-1500 times and owned it for 3 years. I would say 800-900 is fair. Unless its on the EE, then you say its broken in an ask for 1300...please don't though...
 
Depends on gun. Weird m&p value have dropped allot since the 2.0 released. I seen some sold for under $500. Used Glock on the other hand sellers expect people to pay premium, often more than new. Must think Buyer's are stupid. Lol

I see some people try sell shadow for $800-900. You can get a new one for $869 from tenda. Max I'd pay for a used shadow is $700
 
generally you lose about 20% when you shoot it, but then it stays pretty steady until the gun wears noticeably. Some guns go up dramatically
 
Gnome75 said:
Well if its on the EE they up-value. I have seen countless clearly used guns for the same price as a brand new one or more.
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I never did understand that, it seems unique to the CGN EE, don't get me wrong, lots of good and fair deals on there... but seemingly some odd ones where ppl post their "lightly used firearm" for more than what it costs new. Why? Not sure.

To answer the question of the OP, each gun is different, what I do is simply look up what the specific gun is selling for new and also used, then I typically undercut the used price by 5% bc when I want to sell something I want to SELL something... not fart around... if you have to hit BTT on the EE more than once you are usually not being realistic, unless you are selling something really rare or odd I guess.
 
CanAm said:
generally you lose about 20% when you shoot it, but then it stays pretty steady until the gun wears noticeably. Some guns go up dramatically
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Pretty good answer... 20% loss seems about right... unless it is a collectors item, then it goes up.
 
The guns I bought in the '70s seemed to have kept their value pretty well. I still have the receipts for many. Ruger Security Six @ $295.95. Can't get any Ruger pistol for that anymore.;)
 
Value really is dependent on so many factors it is almost impossible to generalize.

Having said that, a still new never fired firearm that is still in production will likely devalue from $1000.00 in the neighborhood of $150.00 to $300.00 depending on just how people are feeling about others ICKY fingerprints. Most people hold some monetary value to being the first owner and trusting the purchase process through a store rather than individuals they have never met.

There are also brand considerations. From my observations and in my opinion, (that will be totally wrong in other peoples perspectives i am sure), people seem to be willing to pay closer to the purchase costs for a pre-owned HK over say a Glock. I would not put one over the other as far as reliability or accuracy and in my opinion there is more after market support for the Glock, but there you have it.

Another factor that comes into play is inflation of course, you can sell an immaculate S&W model 29-2 for a lot more than you bought it new and in some circles it is considered a better revolver than a model 29-10

Discontinued firearms will climb in value dependent on volume and desirability. I forecast that in a few years a CZ452 will be worth quite a bit more than it is now new. The Winchester 94 30-30, (although not entirely discontinued, but close enough) has hovered in the $350.00 - $500.00 range for quite a few years.
 
Just my 2 cents, for what it's worth... I have sold probably well over 70 firearms; all here in the EE. Also, for what it's worth, they have all (with a few notable exceptions) been fairly lightly used. I tent to keep the ones I use heavily. ;)

Anyway, I have found that the sweet spot for a reasonably quick sale is around 25% below current retail price (taxes included) for a new one. Extremely rare and in demand guns adjusted up of course. And a low demand gun that I don't want to take 6 months to sell, adjusted down of course.

But the real answe to your question doesn't really come from sellers, but rather from the buyers. I think the real question is what will a buyer pay for a used gun (even a lightly used one) when he can either walk into a store and buy a brand new one, or order one on line from one of the many reputable dealers here.

My experience, both as a seller and buyer, is that the price differential between used and new need to be at least 20% less than the total cost of buying it new. And a quicker sale comes in th the 25% range. Your mileage may vary of course, but that's my experience anyway.
 
krausb said:
Just my 2 cents, for what it's worth... I have sold probably well over 70 firearms; all here in the EE. Also, for what it's worth, they have all (with a few notable exceptions) been fairly lightly used. I tent to keep the ones I use heavily. ;)

Anyway, I have found that the sweet spot for a reasonably quick sale is around 25% below current retail price (taxes included) for a new one. Extremely rare and in demand guns adjusted up of course. And a low demand gun that I don't want to take 6 months to sell, adjusted down of course.

But the real answe to your question doesn't really come from sellers, but rather from the buyers. I think the real question is what will a buyer pay for a used gun (even a lightly used one) when he can either walk into a store and buy a brand new one, or order one on line from one of the many reputable dealers here.

My experience, both as a seller and buyer, is that the price differential between used and new need to be at least 20% less than the total cost of buying it new. And a quicker sale comes in th the 25% range. Your mileage may vary of course, but that's my experience anyway.
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Glad to see my guesses validated by your experience. 75% of taxes in new price for lightly used.
 
Pistol pricing is not bad. Black rifles seem to keep no value. Lucky to get 60-70% on most.

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K-Roc said:
I never did understand that, it seems unique to the CGN EE, don't get me wrong, lots of good and fair deals on there... but seemingly some odd ones where ppl post their "lightly used firearm" for more than what it costs new. Why? Not sure.

To answer the question of the OP, each gun is different, what I do is simply look up what the specific gun is selling for new and also used, then I typically undercut the used price by 5% bc when I want to sell something I want to SELL something... not fart around... if you have to hit BTT on the EE more than once you are usually not being realistic, unless you are selling something really rare or odd I guess.
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Awesome discussion so far thanks everyone.
I was just curious as it seems like some people have said, prices are dictated by the seller, but sometimes are high, or if to low makes a person wonder, whats wrong with the product.
I have a pistol on the EE, and have many people email me saying price is too high blah blah, and offering me low ball offers( to me anyways). But to me it is a fair price. So the golden question is, do you sell to recoup money spent, and yes I know this is a hobby and hobbies are expensive, but it also shouldn't be where you lose your shirt either?
So whats considered lightly used, heavy used, safe queen etc? And what dictates the condition of a gun( pistol or rifle)?
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Saskgman said:
So the golden question is, do you sell to recoup money spent, and yes I know this is a hobby and hobbies are expensive, but it also shouldn't be where you lose your shirt either?
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Do you try do do that with your other hobbies? If you can recoup 75% of your moned that is pretty good no? Otherwise you become one of those "BTT dreamers" I call them lol... trying to sell their gun for the same price, or more, or 2% less than what it costs new.
 
There's also the political risk factor. All the government has to do is come out with a new bill saying you have to keep pistols at the range, or make thm prohib, and then the market would collapse. Any stock market semi auto isn't really an investment (as much as we like to convince ourselves and our wives). Just enjoy them, and if you can recover some funds when you get bored or want to move on, bonus!
 
Saskgman said:
Awesome discussion so far thanks everyone.
I was just curious as it seems like some people have said, prices are dictated by the seller, but sometimes are high, or if to low makes a person wonder, whats wrong with the product.
I have a pistol on the EE, and have many people email me saying price is too high blah blah, and offering me low ball offers( to me anyways). But to me it is a fair price. So the golden question is, do you sell to recoup money spent, and yes I know this is a hobby and hobbies are expensive, but it also shouldn't be where you lose your shirt either?
So whats considered lightly used, heavy used, safe queen etc? And what dictates the condition of a gun( pistol or rifle)?
G
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The price you paid for something is largely irrelevant really in the equation. It is what something is "worth" to the buyers in the market. If people price things too high there will be few, if any, willing to pay that amount. Items priced correctly sell fast. Some individuals price items far too high in the hopes of finding the one person that will pay too much but usually those things never sell. People can ask whatever they want but what price things actually sell for is usually another number.
 
Depends entirely on the pistol and the audience.

Things on the higher end or with rarity, with the exception of 1911's, seem to take small to no hit and some even increase; examples I'm thinking of are P210 Legends, X5's, S&W 952, etc. I sold a pair of 952's for significantly more than I paid, just good luck and timing. Others, like the P7 & Python, I laughed at what I viewed as "high pricing" at the time......wish I'd bought 10 of each because they've just kept climbing. For whatever reason high end 1911's seem to take a very large hit, 40-50% of post - tax value. My guess is they aren't rare, there are dozens of manufacturers, and those with the funds to play in that price range would rather go new.

Dedicated target pistols, Walther GSP, Pardini SP, Hammerli, etc take a massive hit, somewhere near 50% after a few years. In this case there is an element of knowing maintenance history as the buyer. Additionally, buyers & sellers view the gun as a tool and seem to get less emotionally attached as the price of the gun pales in contrast to how much is spent on everything else.

Once you get into the common pistols expect to lose 20% of the latest sale value, not MSRP. I include all the "big name" service pistols in this category; Glock, Sig, S&W, Walther, CZ, H&K, Beretta. Any other "lesser" brands like Girsan, Canik, Canuck you'll probably lose more.

At the end of the day a gun is worth what someone is willing to pay. Sometimes that number is acceptable to the seller, sometimes it's not.
 
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