Converting a Model 10 12.6 to something more politically correct...

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Howdy, folks.

Well, we have a need to convert one of our handguns to a "teaching aid" for the CRFSC. However, the only DA revolver we have is a S&W model 10-2 with the usual skinny-arse 104mm barrel. In the interests of not spending a ton of cash on something we're just going to pop the firing pin out of anyhow, we'd like to swap the barrel out for a 4.3", 5", or 6" tube in .38 Special.

Anyone know where we could get our hands on the necessary barrel? I suppose we could just spin the barrel off it and use it as a barrelless frame. Wouldn't be a prohib anymore without that satanic deviltube hanging off the front....

Thanks,

Dan
 
Something to look into, I was at an update seminar recently and the instructor had a revolver with the barrel cut open but still capable of chambering rounds and having the bore checked visually or with rod. I doubt if this meets the current "deactivated" standard, but check it out. Would be a cheaper option if so. Otherwise, you would probably be cheaper to sell or trade your revolver for one with a long enough barrel.
 
I would measure the barrel first. I have a 686 that measure 105.14mm and is registered as such and not a Prohib. Failing that, a longer barrel is what you need. I would go 5" myself.

Take Care

Bob
 
I had a Model 13 with a barrel almost identical to yours, Bob. Now I'm sorry I sold it. :)

Tiriaq, thanks for the knowledge. I was afraid that was the case. Damn loopholes are never where you need them to be...:)

Bushwacker, I've been looking for a used Taurus or somesuch that'd do for the course, something I wouldn't be sad to trim the firing pin out of. Coming up empty so far...
 
Try measuring the bbl first. Some are actually restricted by a hair and incorrectly registered. If it is correct length a quick call and maybe some photos and should have a new cert in the mail, except they really don't seem to be fast going from prohibited to restricted...
 
Unless there is some rule in the training course against using prohibs I'd say screw it and use it as is with the pin removed to safe it for training. Why play that silly game?
 
I would agree. However, there is a rule specifically about this in the regs. Can't use a prohib as a course gun. Makes zero goddamned sense to me, but I am not blessed with the silly mindset that developed those regs, so what the hell.
 
Site-sponsor Frontier Firearms has Arminius revolvers in .22 and .357 for $500 and $580, respectively. If it is prohibited and would cost more than that to buy and install a restricted barrel, it's something to consider.
 
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wbaad said:
What silly game? Why not make it restricted if easy/cheap to do so?
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Making it into a restricted just to use in a course. THAT silly game. I'd be more in favor of keeping it a prohib for the sake of the course to show the new shooters how silly the law is that we have.

Now making it into a restricted so it can be owned and passed on to the next generation is another issue. I'm all in favor of THAT.

I'm not sure that the mod falls into the easy/cheap option though. On a S&W there's the ejector stub locking point that needs to be on the barrel and it needs to be in the right place for the model of the gun.

The member weimajack has sold a couple of ex-prohibs that were sleeved with a longer liner and given a little added collar around the muzzle to increase the length to a nice restricted 4.25". It would be worth contacting him to find out who did the work. This way it maintains the original barrel and locking lug location.
 
Does it need to be a certain style of revolver or just a revolver?

Lots of 22LR restricted revolvers floating around for less than $300. Enfield MKIVs go pretty cheap. C&B reproduction revolvers aren't terribly expensive.

M
 
bushwhacker said:
Something to look into, I was at an update seminar recently and the instructor had a revolver with the barrel cut open but still capable of chambering rounds and having the bore checked visually or with rod. I doubt if this meets the current "deactivated" standard, but check it out. Would be a cheaper option if so. Otherwise, you would probably be cheaper to sell or trade your revolver for one with a long enough barrel.
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The regulations speak about permanently blocking the chamber to prevent a round from seating. By that definition, the handgun - split open as it it - would still be a functioning firearm and therefore covered by all the rules.
 
Teaching aids for the safety courses are generally disabled, not deactivated according to current dewat standards. If deactivated, they would be useless for teaching the course.
The degree to which teaching aids are disabled varies. Removal of the firing pin might suffice. Others are cut to bits. Nevertheless, handguns are still registered, and subject to ATT requirements.
Rather than rebarrel and reregister a 12-6 revolver for instructional purposes, it would be easier and probably cheaper to just use a different piece.
 
If it doesn't have to be pretty and seeing as you won't be chambering live rounds, why does it have to have a 38 cal barrel??? Restricted length take off barrels go from $100 to $200 if you can find a gunsmith who has been stripping confiscated or surrendered receivers that will let them go. Now it's getting even more difficult because there seems to be a demand by the forces mandating the destruction of confiscated/surrendered pistols to destroy all usable components.

It's pretty simple to have a smith thread a piece of barrel so that the pistol can be re registered as restricted as well as a dewat.
 
ericbrowning said:
If it is deactivated, I believe it would no longer be a prohib.
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To be dewatted to that extent the cylinder crane would have to be welded in place as well as the hammer and maybe the trigger even though they would be rendered non functional by the welding the cylinder and crane to be non operational.

Give Del Selin's a call in Vernon BC. He had a bunch of revolvers and pistols hanging from a rod in his shop that were expressly dewatted for the purposes you need one for.
 
This has become a fun little project.

A fellow on here has been kind enough to offer me a 5" barrel that will work. Spoke to my smith this morning and he'll polish and blue the new tube and install. Total cost for the project is a titch over $200.

For purposes of the course, the gun must be disabled and not dewatted. I'll pull the firing pin and I'm good to go. I'm conscious of the fact that I won't always be teaching this course - might want to quit in 20 or so years - and it'd be nice to have something that wasn't cut up like a Christmas turkey, and easily restored to shooting condition.

Thanks for the suggestions, lads. Just for poops and laughs I'll give Del Selins a buzz and see what they have that'll work.

Dan
 
A welded up deactivated revolver would be useless for the course since you can't swing the cylinder out to load and unload dummy rounds.
Isn't that the point of having a revolver in the course?

Here is a link to a seller in the EE for some dewats if you don't need a gun that cant do anything. Bit pricey IMO, that's what they go for in working condition.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1495271-S-amp-W-Deactivated-Revolvers-K-amp-J-frame-Only-3-left
 
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