Please tell me the Colt Canada fascination??

arrrgh I completely missed the boat on this one. I still had that itch, so I bought one of these...

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Shot it today, same day I bought it. I finally understand why people like shorty ARs now :)

Very, very nice. Forgive my ignorance, but is that 10.5" or 11"?
 
Colt Canada (Diemaco) is basically a boutique gun company making finely crafted firearms in limited runs for some of the most discerning customers in the world. Is it the fact that the US Navy Seals or Delta Force doesn't use them make them a bad rifle? No it doesn't, they have a lot of domestic and international suppliers of rifles to choose from, and I for one have no clue if any Colt Canada rifle could even be put forth for consideration as Colt US is the domestic supplier for the US Army. And remember, Colt Canada's rifles are based on the complete Military specifications supplied to Colt US and purchased by Colt Canada, with Colt Canada, reviewing and improving on over 200 aspects of this rifle.

I could have bought a Daniels Defence, HK or Sig Sauer, but for the money, the build quality and that it's CANADIAN, I bought a Diemaco SA20. I do think it's among the best in the world. If I want just a Canadian made rifle I could have spent far, far less and bought something else. I've tested other rifles and not one rifle felt as good in my hands as the SA20. I've traveled all over Southern Ontario to shoot different AR's including Daniels Defence, and when you're shooting, seeing the ignition of the gun powder in the chamber through the crack between the upper and lower I get jittery.

My Colt Canada SA20 is so precisely made that the tolerance and innovations that go into that CANADIAN made rifle mean I don't see a flash in my left eye as a bullet goes down range. And that sold me on this rifle.

Now are there "better" rifles? Depends on what you're measuring and how much money you're gonna plunk down on the counter if you can even get them in Canada. For $1,800 Canadian out the door, I think I got the best dam rifle in the world. But that's my opinion. If you can and want to spend $3k, $4k or $5k on an AR15 rifle, then more power to you and your choices may be far more exotic that a humble rifle made in Kitchener, Ontario.

If Colt Canada didn't offer the SA20 for sale to the civilian market, I would have might have gone with an HK or Daniels Defence as I believe Sig Sauer only make Piston Driven AR's.
 
Colt Canada (Diemaco) is basically a boutique gun company making finely crafted firearms in limited runs for some of the most discerning customers in the world. Is it the fact that the US Navy Seals or Delta Force doesn't use them make them a bad rifle? No it doesn't, they have a lot of domestic and international suppliers of rifles to choose from, and I for one have no clue if any Colt Canada rifle could even be put forth for consideration as Colt US is the domestic supplier for the US Army. And remember, Colt Canada's rifles are based on the complete Military specifications supplied to Colt US and purchased by Colt Canada, with Colt Canada, reviewing and improving on over 200 aspects of this rifle.

No one has ever confirmed any of the so called "improvements" which leads me and others to believe it's all BS. CC makes quality rifles made to the TDP mil spec.

I could have bought a Daniels Defence, HK or Sig Sauer, but for the money, the build quality and that it's CANADIAN, I bought a Diemaco SA20. I do think it's among the best in the world. If I want just a Canadian made rifle I could have spent far, far less and bought something else. I've tested other rifles and not one rifle felt as good in my hands as the SA20. I've traveled all over Southern Ontario to shoot different AR's including Daniels Defence, and when you're shooting, seeing the ignition of the gun powder in the chamber through the crack between the upper and lower I get jittery.

First off it is Daniel Defense, not DanielS Defense. The "feel" of a rifle is not scientific nor is it a quantifiable value. It is nothing more than your mental nostalgia for a "Canadian made" rifle which in fact is a byproduct of an AMERICAN company that is simply made by Canadian employees. Last and not least, you cannot see the ignition of any firearm let alone an AR15. Between the inch or so the bolt enters the barrel extension, the locked bolt during firing and the expanded cartridge case creating a gas seal, there is no possible way to see the ignition. Let's not forget you are position behind and above the chamber.


My Colt Canada SA20 is so precisely made that the tolerance and innovations that go into that CANADIAN made rifle mean I don't see a flash in my left eye as a bullet goes down range. And that sold me on this rifle.

Now are there "better" rifles? Depends on what you're measuring and how much money you're gonna plunk down on the counter if you can even get them in Canada. For $1,800 Canadian out the door, I think I got the best dam rifle in the world. But that's my opinion. If you can and want to spend $3k, $4k or $5k on an AR15 rifle, then more power to you and your choices may be far more exotic that a humble rifle made in Kitchener, Ontario.

It's damN not dam. and no the CC isn't the "best", it's made to spec and is an excellent choice.

If Colt Canada didn't offer the SA20 for sale to the civilian market, I would have might have gone with an HK or Daniels Defence as I believe Sig Sauer only make Piston Driven AR's.

Again it's Daniel Defense not DanielS Defense. SIG makes both piston and DI guns.

In the blue..... Some people.
 
It is nothing more than your mental nostalgia for a "Canadian made" rifle which in fact is a byproduct of an AMERICAN company that is simply made by Canadian employees.

Not exactly, Diemaco was a Canadian Company, purchased by Héroux-Devtek Inc, and then Colt Defence according to the Internet...

Diemaco/Colt Canada Rifles are not clones of Colt Rifles, so purchasing one is more than "mental nostalgia".

If you're going to cast stones...
 
Diemaco/Colt Canada carbines have an excellent reputation and are held in very high regard by those in the know. In my upcoming VickersGuide AR-15 volume 2 I have a large section covering a variety of CC products. I am very fortunate to have the premier Diemaco/Colt Canada collection in the USA ( not easy to acquire by any stretch of the imagination) and they are certainly some of my most favored AR style weapons. In short they are damned good guns.
 
Diemaco/Colt Canada carbines have an excellent reputation and are held in very high regard by those in the know. In my upcoming VickersGuide AR-15 volume 2 I have a large section covering a variety of CC products. I am very fortunate to have the premier Diemaco/Colt Canada collection in the USA ( not easy to acquire by any stretch of the imagination) and they are certainly some of my most favored AR style weapons. In short they are damned good guns.

Thanks Larry for chimeing in, I bought your AR15 volume 1 book. Any chance it will be made in USA for volume 2 if possible.

Diemaco/Colt Canada is one of my favorite companies out there, perfect TDP rifles.
 
Thanks Larry for chimeing in, I bought your AR15 volume 1 book. Any chance it will be made in USA for volume 2 if possible.

Diemaco/Colt Canada is one of my favorite companies out there, perfect TDP rifles.

Glad you like the book; bad news on the made in USA thing- we looked into it and the cost to get our book printed in the USA was off the chart. That means we would have to a) reduce the size significantly to sell it at the same price or b) charge about 75% more than current pricing to have it made the same size in the USA. It's sad but true; America has currently lost the ability to do things like print large books or make quality footwear because of all the stuff being made overseas. This won't change until Americas are willing to pay dramatically more for many items to be made in the USA and available at Walmart
 
In the blue..... Some people.

Having had visited the factory and seen how they build the rifles and then test them, including the actual ~180 improvements explanation as per Canadian government demands, I can guarantee that you are full of sh*t.
 
Diemaco/Colt Canada carbines have an excellent reputation and are held in very high regard by those in the know. In my upcoming VickersGuide AR-15 volume 2 I have a large section covering a variety of CC products. I am very fortunate to have the premier Diemaco/Colt Canada collection in the USA ( not easy to acquire by any stretch of the imagination) and they are certainly some of my most favored AR style weapons. In short they are damned good guns.

That's some high praise.

Can't wait for Volume 2.
 
Having had visited the factory and seen how they build the rifles and then test them, including the actual ~180 improvements explanation as per Canadian government demands, I can guarantee that you are full of sh*t.

Do tell what these "amazing" improvements are that would make it so superior to other offerings.
 
Not exactly, Diemaco was a Canadian Company, purchased by Héroux-Devtek Inc, and then Colt Defence according to the Internet...

Diemaco/Colt Canada Rifles are not clones of Colt Rifles, so purchasing one is more than "mental nostalgia".

If you're going to cast stones...

So it's an American company, got it.. And what parts on a CC rifle will not interchange with the parts on a US made Colt rifle??
 
Personally I don't really care if they're superior rifles or not, the fact that they are very high quality isn't debated, and that's fine for me.

I buy Canadian when I can, and it's just cool to have a high-quality rifle made locally to me and that purchasing one supports good jobs staying in the community. Yeah buying Canadian costs more, just just buying a pair of Canadian made Viberg boots will cost more. Supporting our fellow citizens and community is important to me though.
 
Do tell what these "amazing" improvements are that would make it so superior to other offerings.

Most of the "improvements" are in the form of converting the original paper "blue prints" into metric CAD file. This sounds like just a transcribing job but little things started coming out in this kind of work, which means people had to sit down, sort things out and make changes. This also means all the tolerance must be higher than the original, otherwise it won't be backwards compatible. Back in the late 80's, this could be a painful manpower intensive process (not as bad as in the WW2 with drafting tables...). Most of the places were still wielding sheet metal boxes in the 80's ( FN, Beretta, HK....other than Steyr who used plastic and aluminium die casting)

What we accepted as standard these days, such as "shot peening" of bolt, is the result of Diemaco's work back in those days. Other things like ditching the A2 sight for the A1 style sight is not really an improvement, just a change. That '180' improvements figure includes both.

The biggest technology change is the use of GFM CHF machines to make barrels. Colt in the US still use button rifling, which takes like 30 to 45 minutes to make one barrel.Fine if you have multiple machines that do 6 barrels each that are inherited from the days of Vietnam war, but you can use 1 CHF machines to do the same thing in like 5 minutes. Crunch the number, there is a reason no one uses button rifling to do mass production other than Colt. The problem is that Colt didn't have experience with CHF, so that technology came from Austria and basically Diemaco would need to hire GFM and possibly additional consultants to get this set up. The same technology sold to FN Herstal to make minimi / C9.

These things add up and that costed a million dollars to Cdn tax payers.
 
Diemaco/Colt Canada carbines have an excellent reputation and are held in very high regard by those in the know. In my upcoming VickersGuide AR-15 volume 2 I have a large section covering a variety of CC products. I am very fortunate to have the premier Diemaco/Colt Canada collection in the USA ( not easy to acquire by any stretch of the imagination) and they are certainly some of my most favored AR style weapons. In short they are damned good guns.

Good to have you here Larry! just a heads up, it kinda turns into the benny hill show here sometimes
 
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