U.n. Firearms marking regulations

rkm456 said:
I'm planning to do both. Fwiw, of the emails I've sent I've only had 1 not responded to.
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Never hurts to do both, but the way he described it is they can't really ignore a printed letter. That was a few years ago though...maybe the process has changed.
 
CobraGuy said:
Never hurts to do both, but the way he described it is they can't really ignore a printed letter. That was a few years ago though...maybe the process has changed.
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Granted I'm new to the whole political involvement scene, bu Justin is the only one that doesn't take the time to write back.
 
CobraGuy said:
You're in Ottawa....go knock on his door. ;)
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With a non restricted slung over my shoulder, lol.*



* That was a joke about him probably not knowing it can be done legally, not any sort of threat.
 
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Suther said:
Yes but that simply sets a day it needs to be done by, It doesnt say it can't be done before they get it.
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Exactly. They are assuming many manufacturers will not add the markings at time of manufacture so they are giving importers up to 60 days to apply the markings once they are in Canada. Why is this so hard to understand. Of course, the original manufacturer is welcome to add the markings earlier if they want. No one would think the markings need to be added twice. ...... do they ?
 
This is again showing how ignorant governments are with people who own firearms, the legal responsible owners of firearms. The firearms used in crimes are on the hips or hidden in cars of gang members and criminals who don't give a F*** about laws and certainly not about what the UN says. These firearms regulations are so a** backwards and suck up so much money that could be used to help the homeless or starving and have zero impact on the actuall threats. Just screw over the guy or lady who has a license, a safe and abides by the laws.
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more..."
 
MustangFrank said:
Exactly. They are assuming many manufacturers will not add the markings at time of manufacture so they are giving importers up to 60 days to apply the markings once they are in Canada. Why is this so hard to understand. Of course, the original manufacturer is welcome to add the markings earlier if they want. No one would think the markings need to be added twice. ...... do they ?
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Not trying to pick a fight here, but this is open to interpretation of a section in the Customs Act, 2(1) I think, and the legal interpretation I have been given is that the marking has to be applied with in 60 days after leaving CBSA. It has been said that CBSA will be responsible to enforce this, well that is news to me, no one in Government has been able to advise the CSAAA who will enforce that the marking is carried out to the correct standard. What if you are found in possession of a gun that has not been marked correctly? Would you be charged?

Yes it would be much easier and much more cost effective if this could be carried out by the manufacture or exporter but that is not possible according to how this has been explained to me. This is an import marking not a manufacture or export marking requirement.

If anyone has anything in writing from the Government please share it with us.

As for cost I think you can expect anything from zero (If carried out by some manufactures) to as high as $200. It is not just the cost of a laser engraving machine but the time to unpack de-grease, engrave, inspect, re-oil and repackage. Will we be required to keep a log book of engraving? Who will inspect them, or will they even be inspected? I do not know!

As to not marking rare or extremely valuable guns (Who decides this?) my understanding is that an importer can apply to mark the gun in a discreet place if it is rare or valuable not that she is exempt from marking.

I would urge all of you to encourage your local dealer to join the CSAAA so that they can be kept informed of developments rather than react to rumour. The stronger the CSAAA, which is a Canadian Dealer Association, the stronger their voice in Ottawa.
 
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Mr Wolverine said:
Not trying to pick a fight here, but this is open to interpretation of a section in the Customs Act, 2(1) I think, and the legal interpretation I have been given is that the marking has to be applied with in 60 days after leaving CBSA. It has been said that CBSA will be responsible to enforce this, well that is news to me, no one in Government has been able to advise the CSAAA who will enforce that the marking is carried out to the correct standard. What if you are found in possession of a gun that has not been marked correctly? Would you be charged?

Yes it would be much easier and much more cost effective if this could be carried out by the manufacture or exporter but that is not possible according to how this has been explained to me. This is an import marking not a manufacture or export marking requirement.

If anyone has anything in writing from the Government please share it with us.

As for cost I think you can expect anything from zero (If carried out by some manufactures) to as high as $200. It is not just the cost of a laser engraving machine but the time to unpack de-grease, engrave, inspect, re-oil and repackage. Will we be required to keep a log book of engraving? Who will inspect them, or will they even be inspected? I do not know!

As to not marking rare or extremely valuable guns (Who decides this?) my understanding is that an importer can apply to mark the gun in a discreet place if it is rare or valuable not that she is exempt from marking.

I would urge all of you to encourage your local dealer to join the CSAAA so that they can be kept informed of developments rather than react to rumour. The stronger the CSAAA, which is a Canadian Dealer Association, the stronger their voice in Ottawa.
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Thanks for the clarification. That is what I have read on this as well, markings must be applied after importation which will put the cost and inconvenience on Canadian firearms owners and dealers.

Again.
 
How is this done in other countries that have not delayed the implementation like Canada did?
It sure seems silly and only goes to show how out to lunch the UN and our current PM are.
 
So sad that our country has become a place where this kind of disclaimer is necessary. Orwell was right.
rkm456 said:
With a non restricted slung over my shoulder, lol.*



* That was a joke about him probably not knowing it can be done legally, not any sort of threat.
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I would also suggest writing letters to medias pointing out the huge and costly disservice they are doing to the Canadian public. Jr and the Liberals are exploiting that relationship by the minute and as long as the media supports them little will change. Get the media on board with different sensational stories contradicting existing government policies and the Liberals will be paying attention.

An example is Wendy Cuker's video where she implies the LGR hasn't killed anyone. That is a heartless disregard to the plight of women in abusive relationships where money is spent on a paper registry rather than on women's shelters. Given that 200 women a night are turned away from shelters, lack of shelters due to no funding, and statistically when a woman tries to leave an abusive relationship and has to return to that relationship there is a greater degree of violence and death, so spending money on a paper registry instead of women's shelter may indeed have lead to the death of some women.

Also the fact that human trafficking is on the rise in Canada and that there are unsolved murders in this country other than indigenous. Backyard pools are the cause of some 40 to 60 children each year in this country. And there is the logic factor of implementing a policy without any substantiation or demonstrations of results.

Just a thought.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Not trying to pick a fight here, but this is open to interpretation of a section in the Customs Act, 2(1) I think, and the legal interpretation I have been given is that the marking has to be applied with in 60 days after leaving CBSA. It has been said that CBSA will be responsible to enforce this, well that is news to me, no one in Government has been able to advise the CSAAA who will enforce that the marking is carried out to the correct standard. What if you are found in possession of a gun that has not been marked correctly? Would you be charged?.
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I didn't think you were picking a fight. We all have the greatest respect for your work. However, at the risk of sounding overly naïve, what was your answer when you inquired with the head of CBSA ( or their delegate ) for clarification on this issue. If they are the enforcing department, I'm sure they have offered clarification.

My overly simplistic interpretation was due in part to the vague wording, but also in addressing the spirit of the rule which is to identify the country of importation as well as the date of import. With this in mind, I cannot see why it matters who and when the markings are applied as long as they are there within 60 days of importation. Maybe I'm being too logical.
 
MustangFrank said:
I didn't think you were picking a fight. We all have the greatest respect for your work. However, at the risk of sounding overly naïve, what was your answer when you inquired with the head of CBSA ( or their delegate ) for clarification on this issue. If they are the enforcing department, I'm sure they have offered clarification.

My overly simplistic interpretation was due in part to the vague wording, but also in addressing the spirit of the rule which is to identify the country of importation as well as the date of import. With this in mind, I cannot see why it matters who and when the markings are applied as long as they are there within 60 days of importation. Maybe I'm being too logical.
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I have not spoken to CBSA, the UN marking regulation states the following:
The markings must be made before the 60th day after its release as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Customs Act or before transferring the firearm, whichever occurs first.
The legal opinion given to the CSAAA on section 2(1) was that this meant the marking had to be applied after release from Customs, if ( and it is a big if) this opinion is correct how can Customs be responsible for enforcing something up 60 days after they have released it. If we were allowed to have the manufacture or exporter apply the UN marking then yes it would make sense for Customs to confirm correct marking, but to what purpose as if they were not correctly marked, so what, we have 60 days to comply. The whole plan has not been thought through in a practical or logical manner.
You are guilty of applying common sense and logical thinking to this matter, however I have to agree with your conclusion: the spirit of the rule which is to identify the country of importation as well as the date of import. With this in mind, I cannot see why it matters who and when the markings are applied as long as they are there within 60 days of importation.
 
HirvGotti said:
(3) In the case of an imported firearm, the Registrar, on application by the individual, business or public service agency that is importing it, shall grant the applicant an exemption from the requirement set out in paragraph (2)(c) if

(e) the firearm is imported by a business that holds a licence for the purpose of using the firearm in respect of motion picture, television, video or theatrical productions or in publishing activities.

Is the above license a possible work around? or are the licenses individually issued for each firearm?
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I seriously doubt it, and if it was you just alerted the whole world to it, way to go! Sorry not meaning to s--- on your good intention, but this forum, especially my page is very closely watched by the RCMP. Never underestimate your opponent or give away possible useful intelligence. The last Government were not our friends, the current Government is even worse, why should they be concerned with the inconvieance or expenses to us when we are so ignorant and divided. The time for one strong united voice is long overdue.
 
The best thing we can do is buy PC memberships and vote in a leader for that party who has a sensible idea about gun control.... Maxime so far seems promising... only 3 more years of liberal tyranny haha
 
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