U.n. Firearms marking regulations

Mr Wolverine said:
I seriously doubt it, and if it was you just alerted the whole world to it, way to go! Sorry not meaning to s--- on your good intention, but this forum, especially my page is very closely watched by the RCMP. Never underestimate your opponent or give away possible useful intelligence. The last Government were not our friends, the current Government is even worse, why should they be concerned with the inconvieance or expenses to us when we are so ignorant and divided. The time for one strong united voice is long overdue.
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To be fair, if even 50% of gun owners filed applications asserting their guns were unusually high value or thatthere was no surface suitable for the markings required, the application burden would cause system failure quite quickly.
 
warrenlikesboats said:
The best thing we can do is buy PC memberships and vote in a leader for that party who has a sensible idea about gun control.... Maxime so far seems promising... only 3 more years of liberal tyranny haha
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Luckily it's more like 1.5 years. Once we're into late 2018/2019 it turns into the 2019 election.
 
Cameron SS said:
To be fair, if even 50% of gun owners filed applications asserting their guns were unusually high value or thatthere was no surface suitable for the markings required, the application burden would cause system failure quite quickly.
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Let's be clear guns imported prior to 1st June 2017 do not require import markings.

It is not written into the regulations who decides what makes a gun rare or what is a high value, or what standard or criteria is used to make this determination and I believe that this only means the gun can then be stamped discreetly, she still has to be stamped.

The regulation says we have 60 days to apply the UN marking, it fails to say how long the Government can take in approving if your gun is of high value or rarity, what happens at the end of 60 days if you don't have an answer? I presume she has to be marked then to avoid been charged?

As I have said before this has not been planned in a practical manner.
 
Not trying to pick a fight here, but this is open to interpretation of a section in the Customs Act, 2(1) I think, and the legal interpretation I have been given is that the marking has to be applied with in 60 days after leaving CBSA. It has been said that CBSA will be responsible to enforce this, well that is news to me, no one in Government has been able to advise the CSAAA who will enforce that the marking is carried out to the correct standard. What if you are found in possession of a gun that has not been marked correctly? Would you be charged?
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Good point, CBSA has little or no power once something leaves the border, they don't have the manpower or the funding to ever attempt this, I'm guessing it will/would be the RCMP, but that's just my opinion. If CBSA were to take it on??? it would mean amending the Custom's act along with the Criminal code IMO.
 
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Mr Wolverine said:
I have not spoken to CBSA, the UN marking regulation states the following:
The markings must be made before the 60th day after its release as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Customs Act or before transferring the firearm, whichever occurs first.
The legal opinion given to the CSAAA on section 2(1) was that this meant the marking had to be applied after release from Customs, if ( and it is a big if) this opinion is correct how can Customs be responsible for enforcing something up 60 days after they have released it. If we were allowed to have the manufacture or exporter apply the UN marking then yes it would make sense for Customs to confirm correct marking, but to what purpose as if they were not correctly marked, so what, we have 60 days to comply. The whole plan has not been thought through in a practical or logical manner.
You are guilty of applying common sense and logical thinking to this matter, however I have to agree with your conclusion: the spirit of the rule which is to identify the country of importation as well as the date of import. With this in mind, I cannot see why it matters who and when the markings are applied as long as they are there within 60 days of importation.
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A while back I contacted the authorities about this and was told that the Canadian markings could be stamped by the manufacturer prior to entering Canada. I could try to dig that up, if you're interested...
 
Cbf123 said:
A while back I contacted the authorities about this and was told that the Canadian markings could be stamped by the manufacturer prior to entering Canada. I could try to dig that up, if you're interested...
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Yes please, that would be interesting to see. If the manufacture could apply the marking it would ease the situation with some manufactures and models.
 
I'm not a dealer, but now my curiosity and desire for actual facts has inspired me to send a letter to the office of Mr. Goodale. He is still responsible for Ministry of Public Safety under which this mandate will fall. He can then delegate someone to provide the proper answer. I don't think it is prudent to depend on internet hearsay or the gun orgs to provide an opinion when the actual governing body can provide the correct information.
 
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As has been stated... how can they enforce this if it is impossible to tell if a firearm was imported pre or post implementation?

If stopped by the rcmp... how could/does one prove that it doesn't require the marking... and in order to implement that
How does it not take a form of some type of registry?

My understanding is that the manufacturers can absolutely have the required markings but in actuality it is unlikely from most manufacturers to be a part of the process so that is why all the other rules are applied post import...
 
MustangFrank said:
I'm not a dealer, but now my curiosity and desire for actual facts has inspired me to send a letter to the office of Mr. Goodale. He is still responsible for Ministry of Public Safety under which this mandate will fall. He can then delegate someone to provide the proper answer. I don't think it is prudent to depend on internet hearsay or the gun orgs to provide an opinion when the actual governing body can provide the correct information.
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You are 100% correct about not relying on internet hearsay. In Canada we have a Firearms Dealer Association, the CSAAA, to date whilst bringing valid questions to the Ministers office they are not receiving answers, hence all the speculation. Personal I do not believe the Government bureaucrats have thought through the logistical implementation of this order, they should at least delay it until they have a practical process ready to implement.
 
I think that it can apply to newly imported firearms. The US can be used as an example on their import markings
on surplus rifles etc. The CMP seems to be exempt. Un marked firearms don't seem to be an issue
 
Wolverine .303 said:
U.N. FIREARMS MARKING REGULATIONS


From our friends at CSSA
The time is 11:59 p.m.
We are roaring up to the deadline. On June 1, 2017, the United Nations' Firearms Marking Regulations will be implemented, and Canada's gun industry will take the punch right in the head.

Oddly enough, the House of Commons is strangely silent on this.

We implore you to write to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and firmly request that this foolish exercise be halted immediately, before extensive damage is done to a licensed, legitimate industry.

U.N. Marking is expensive, time consuming, potentially dangerous and worse, TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.

The United Nations requested we have a system of tracing firearms. The Chrétien government chose to add ridiculous post-manufacturing markings on all imported firearms.

Be forewarned – the cost of a firearm may rise dramatically and businesses may close.

• For 12 years, the CSSA and the CSAAA have stood virtually alone in opposing the implementation of this regulation.

• We have repeatedly warned our members about this issue.

• We have even been accused of exaggerating the case to raise funds. So let's be clear: the CSSA has never ONCE asked its members for money to support this issue. We have, however, asked for a call to action.

Once again – one last time – we need your assistance to deter the Government of Canada from implementing this damaging and useless regulation.

Please write to the Prime Minister and ask him to stop this implementation. Tell him the CSSA has a constructive alternative that will not cost Canadian jobs and buckets of money – money that will ultimately come out of your pocket. Don't hesitate. Do it now – it's even free!


Thank you!
Team CSSA
Contact information:
The Right Honourable Justin Trudeau
Prime Minister of Canada
Office of the Prime Minister
80 Wellington Street
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0A2
Telephone: 613- 995-0253
Fax: 613-941-6900
Email: justin.trudeau@parl.gc.ca
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A PDF of the offending UN document posted will help people "sink their teeth" into this mess before serial numbers are branded on our foreheads and/or bottoms like cattle. Ouch! :)
 
Wolverine .303 said:
U.N. FIREARMS MARKING REGULATIONS


From our friends at CSSA
The time is 11:59 p.m.
We are roaring up to the deadline. On June 1, 2017, the United Nations' Firearms Marking Regulations will be implemented, and Canada's gun industry will take the punch right in the head.

Oddly enough, the House of Commons is strangely silent on this.

We implore you to write to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and firmly request that this foolish exercise be halted immediately, before extensive damage is done to a licensed, legitimate industry.

U.N. Marking is expensive, time consuming, potentially dangerous and worse, TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.

The United Nations requested we have a system of tracing firearms. The Chrétien government chose to add ridiculous post-manufacturing markings on all imported firearms.

Be forewarned – the cost of a firearm may rise dramatically and businesses may close.

• For 12 years, the CSSA and the CSAAA have stood virtually alone in opposing the implementation of this regulation.

• We have repeatedly warned our members about this issue.

• We have even been accused of exaggerating the case to raise funds. So let's be clear: the CSSA has never ONCE asked its members for money to support this issue. We have, however, asked for a call to action.

Once again – one last time – we need your assistance to deter the Government of Canada from implementing this damaging and useless regulation.

Please write to the Prime Minister and ask him to stop this implementation. Tell him the CSSA has a constructive alternative that will not cost Canadian jobs and buckets of money – money that will ultimately come out of your pocket. Don't hesitate. Do it now – it's even free!


Thank you!
Team CSSA
Contact information:
The Right Honourable Justin Trudeau
Prime Minister of Canada
Office of the Prime Minister
80 Wellington Street
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0A2
Telephone: 613- 995-0253
Fax: 613-941-6900
Email: justin.trudeau@parl.gc.ca
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A petition on the government's website should be put together and a PM sent to all CGN members with a link...
 
I have a very expensive firearm due for import on the last few days of May, it is three to four times the price of similar firearms in the same category (AR15). Any delay in shipping or customs would push the import date over the June 1st deadline.
I would think the associated cost of this firearm would qualify for exemption under these rules but how does one apply for exemption and what happens to the firearm while waiting for the beurocrats to make a decision?
 
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TeeJay said:
I have a very expensive firearm due for import on the last few days of May, it is three to four times the price of similar firearms in the same category (AR15). Any delay in shipping or customs would push the import date over the July 1st deadline.
I would think the associated cost of this firearm would qualify for exemption under these rules but how does one apply for exemption and what happens to the firearm while waiting for the beurocrats to make a decision?
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I think you have a typo the date is 1st June. You raise very good questions that should be answered, but by whom and when ? Good luck.
 
TeeJay said:
I have a very expensive firearm due for import on the last few days of May, it is three to four times the price of similar firearms in the same category (AR15). Any delay in shipping or customs would push the import date over the July 1st deadline.
I would think the associated cost of this firearm would qualify for exemption under these rules but how does one apply for exemption and what happens to the firearm while waiting for the beurocrats to make a decision?
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It comes into effect June 1st... so not great...

And how is the exemption applied... total cost vs similar products.
How is rarity applied? How.many have to be in circulation?

How.does one measure the devaluation as a part of the process...


Poorly thought out doesn't begin to describe this...
 
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