I am registered for a Black Badge course the end of April. I have two guns that I think would be suitable for the course (and I have a belt, holster, mag pouches etc for each) One is a STI Trojan 1911 and the other a CZ Shadow. Other than the ammo cost of 9 vs 45 is there anything that would make one preferable over the other? I think I shoot better targets with the Trojan but that doesn't factor in any speed component.
Gun for Black Badge course?
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You do not need to pick up speed in a BB course, If you shoot the Trojan better than the CZ, then stick with the 1911 platform and enjoy your course and try and learn something. You can always pick what ever division you want to shoot in once you pass the course.
Have fun and be safe.
Have fun and be safe.
Well there will be a number of factors to consider with these two. First the 45 will be considered Major so hits with it on the target will count higher (alpha and Charlie ranges will count same) as the 9 mm is considered minor so hits count less points in Charlie range. This will all become clear once you get into the Black badge course. Second some people think the 9 mm is easier to control comparded to the 45 especially when you rapid fire off a "controller" pair. The other thing I have noticed too is as you age your eye sight does too so the little hole the 9mm makes for hard seeing, I see lots of shooters miss engagements because they cannot see there hits. I see this happening in our club more often than you think.
Personally I would go with the 45 STI Trojan, its a good gun and your hits will count more points. This will help especially when you start to ramp up your speed over your accuracy.
IPSC is the most fun I have had in the action shooting sports. Whatever you shoot.
Personally I would go with the 45 STI Trojan, its a good gun and your hits will count more points. This will help especially when you start to ramp up your speed over your accuracy.
IPSC is the most fun I have had in the action shooting sports. Whatever you shoot.
Yes, good point, the Trojan has a fibre op front sight that my 57 year old eyes find easier to acquire faster.
red magnum
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It's your BB course, focus on safety and learning the rules of the game. You don't get tested on speed and accuracy.
You're right but there is no production major so you would only be competing against other minor shooters. Where as in classic, you can shoot either minor or major.
crazyjackrabbit
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If you are a decent shot with either of them, I would say use which ever one you are most comfortable with.. Dont know what your experience is with action shooting and using a holster so thats the best advise I could give you lol
And dont worry about any of that scoring crap for your course. Just have fun, be safe, and you'll pass
And dont worry about any of that scoring crap for your course. Just have fun, be safe, and you'll pass
45's not as popular in classic because of 8 round capacity. Scoring in ipsc is 5,4, and 2 for major and 5, 3, and 1 for minor. You will probably shoot a while and then change divisions or guns as you grow. Lots of people do, new gun , new mags, new holster, new pouches. It never ends ! lol
Is all this scoring BS applicable when you take your BB?
Mag changes will be easier with the Shadow unless you put a magwell on your Trojan. In IPSC, there is a 9 shot/position max, so you may have a stationary reload during a stage that will cost you time if you are shooting the Trojan in 45acp.
The advantage of the Trojan will be you have a consistent S/A trigger pull for all your shots. For the Shadow, your first shot will be in DA, so you will have to learn to transition that transition of DA to SA. Took me a while to get the hang of that as most of my shooting with it before had been range plinking in SA.
For your BB course, it won't really matter as ~1/2 the course will be on safety procedures and rules anyway. The range time should focus on range commands, technique, and safe handling, not on speed.
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Well, your hits are in fact, scored - and if you don't shoot the score required, you don't pass. There just is no difference between major and minor.
There's trade off on these two guns - with the CZ, he's going to be shooting every drill double action and then single action, so his double action pull should be decent.
With the 1911, it's all single action, but he has to manipulate the safety and 45 kicks a bit.
OP, shoot the gun you feel most comfortable shooting. Whichever one you shoot more accurately and are better at operating the controls of.
Hits AND time are scored, or more correctly you have to meet the time standards on the drills if you want to pass. But this is correct, if you are going to shoot the CZ you had better put lots of time in with the DA pull over the next couple of weeks until you are very familiar with it. At least 50% of the shots on the first day of the course will be fired double action.
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Yep - good point, that is an option, however - most shadows these days are not really set up for cocked and locked - they run small safeties because they really don't need them later.
Pat - the quoted person never mentioned time - hence the reason I didn't either...
CZ Shadow is a production div pistol, not standard. Out of the holster the first shot must be double action.
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Sorta True - for competition and if you're planning on competing seriously - that's probably the best way to start.
Wendell's also right - you can shoot a Shadow in Standard too - minor...provided it still fits in the box (and it does)
For the BB, they can shoot the gun anyway they want so long as they're safe; there are no divisions and there are no power factors
