Head-to-Head: Sig P210-6 Vs. Sig Sauer X5-L1 "The sequel"

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For some of you that saw my initial thread " Will it dethrone the Sig P210?!?" a couple days ago, this is the legitimate sequel. A Head to Head comparison of my newly acquired 1st Generation Sig Sauer X-Five Level 1 9mm, presented in the thread above Vs. the target version of the venerable Swiss Sig P210, the dash 6 variation.

Having nearly no range time with the X5, only a few hundreds rounds fired in the last 10 years, and 20k+ rounds through the P210 in various forms, there's no doubt that I have a soft spot for the latest. But, from the start, this test was done unbiased, I've tested both on the same day, at the same distance and in the exact same shooting conditions, same shooter and using the same technique.

I've adjusted the trigger on the X5 with the desired length, take up and over travel stop, it now feels very similar to what's on the P210-6 to even things out. Both break at just a hair over 2.5#

Both pistols were shot at 25 yards (75 feet) measured with my range finder from a standing position and resting on a bean bag. Two different kind of ammo was used, Federal AE 124gr FMJ non-toxic and PMC Bronze 124gr FMJ.

I first started by shooting both pistol with 5 rounds at four different targets, to get the trigger feel from each, 20 rounds total. Then proceed with the challenge which consists of shooting at a 1" square dot on the back side of a printed target. Two 1" square dots were made on the back side of a target and each of them shot with one particular pistol. The first one was with what was left of Fed. AE 124gr FMJ, 15 rounds through each and the last one, a full box of PMC Bronze 124gr FMJ, 25 rounds per pistol on each square dot.

The results were surprising. Both pistols shot better with the cheaper PMC ammo. The X5 shot the best, 25 rounds in an extreme spread of 5", removing the 4 worst shots, there's 21 rounds in a sub-2.5" circle, that's mighty impressive.

The P210-6 couldn't do better than 6", not in my hands anyway. I would have to remove the 12 worst shots out of 25 to have the sub-3" group.

Speaking of pure accuracy the X5 is definitely the winner here, no doubt about it.

But, I still feel like no pistol in history combines the match accuracy with superb build quality, extreme durability and flawless reliability with the military history and pedigree of the Sig P210.

I also think the P210 handles better due to it's lighter weight of only 34oz. Vs. 47 oz. for the X5 but the big X5 soaks up recoil like you're shooting .22's which makes it very easy to shoot rapidly without loosing sight of the target. I wouldn't have any issue carrying the P210 as a service sidearm but wouldn't even think about the X5 as a service weapon or a civilian carry piece, no way!

They are both keepers for different reasons, would I bring the P210 on every range session, nope. Would I bring the X5 on every range session, definitely, it's so accurate and fun to shoot that if you had to have only one as a range toy, this would be it.

So, is the P210 dethroned?

Guess there are now two kings throning on the kingdom!

The hardware:

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The range:

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The targets:

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The X5-L1:

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The P210-6:

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I'm also more accurate with my X5's than 210's and agree with all of your observations. Looks like you got a good one, congrats!

All three of my X5's prefer 115gr. YMMV.
 
A wider variety of ammo brands and weights would help show more clearly. This test just shows the 210 didnt like the ammo it was fed as much. With a brand it loves, the results may look VERY different. Jmo
 
A wider variety of ammo brands and weights would help show more clearly. This test just shows the 210 didnt like the ammo it was fed as much. With a brand it loves, the results may look VERY different. Jmo

I was thinking similar too. I'm not a fan of the PMC bronze - it shotgun patterned out my CZ. I've always had decent luck with American Eagle, though.

I think we can all agree, trying to figure out which pistol is more accurate, is a good problem to have. It would be neat to get a few more shooters that are well known on these forums to 'give it a go'. Maybe a few more variants of the P210 too. More testing! :)
 
Good test and write-up HC; can't say I'm surprised as those results have mirrored my own, if less scientific, comparisons. The X-5, for the reasons you mentioned, is just easier to shoot well. Not better, just easier lol.
 
A wider variety of ammo brands and weights would help show more clearly. This test just shows the 210 didnt like the ammo it was fed as much. With a brand it loves, the results may look VERY different. Jmo

Using a variety of ammo would have made a difference in group size but not necessary in a good way. The Swiss P210 was designed from the ground up to shoot the RUAG Pistolen Patrone 41 ammunition. It's a 124gr FMJ round nose bullet with a chamber pressure of 2600 BAR, thats 250 BAR hotter than the maximum pressure for 9mm ammo of today, velocity would be in the 1250-1300fps range at muzzle Vs. 1100-1200fps for the factory commercial 124gr ammo available now.

I've shot over 20k rounds with various P210's and the best accuracy as always been with the 124gr FMJ ammo. The twist of the barrel is optimized for that weight too.
 
I was thinking similar too. I'm not a fan of the PMC bronze - it shotgun patterned out my CZ. I've always had decent luck with American Eagle, though.

I think we can all agree, trying to figure out which pistol is more accurate, is a good problem to have. It would be neat to get a few more shooters that are well known on these forums to 'give it a go'. Maybe a few more variants of the P210 too. More testing! :)

I would also love to see more results from the guys that have these pistols in different variants. It would be quite interesting.
 
Good test and write-up HC; can't say I'm surprised as those results have mirrored my own, if less scientific, comparisons. The X-5, for the reasons you mentioned, is just easier to shoot well. Not better, just easier lol.

That's right Bill, the X5 is a lot easier to shoot well. That's why it's so fun to look at the tiny group it makes at greater distances.
 
is there much difference in the Sig 226 x5's?

i mean are there American made ones and German made ones, different length barrels, is there a difference between the stainless and the blued, the wood grip and the black grip, are they all sent to the master gunsmiths for tweaking?

my dad has been talking about getting a Sig and ive been telling him to look at those 226 X5's cause they sound pretty good.
he was talking 220 in 10mm but on their website all they show now is the Camo one and that dosnt interest him.
 
is there much difference in the Sig 226 x5's?

i mean are there American made ones and German made ones, different length barrels, is there a difference between the stainless and the blued, the wood grip and the black grip, are they all sent to the master gunsmiths for tweaking?

my dad has been talking about getting a Sig and ive been telling him to look at those 226 X5's cause they sound pretty good.
he was talking 220 in 10mm but on their website all they show now is the Camo one and that dosnt interest him.

There are large differences within the X5 line. All of them are made in Germany but not necessarily the Mastershop.

The first gen went something like this:

X5-L1 - Stainless 5", Wood Grips, SAO adjustable trigger, target sights, magwell.
X5 Competition - Stainless 5", plastic grips, SAO non-adjustable trigger, target sights, magwell.
X5 Tactical - Same as competition but black, railed alloy frame instead of steel, fixed sights, no magwell.
X5 Allround - DA/SA, 5" stainless, target sights, no magwell.

The above were the 'normal' X5's though I've read conflicting reports on whether the early L1's were mastershop. The more unique variants such as the Short & Smart, Scandic, and all of the brightly coloured versions are Mastershop as are first gen X6's. There was also a tactical with adjustable trigger & sights that was a mastershop gun.

The second generation (also called enhanced) are the more angular looking guns and are all railed.

Open - Full blown race gun. Optics, compensator, etc.
Classic - Essentially the first gen L1 in new clothes.
Match - The classic with black wood grips, skeletonized trigger & hammer.
Supermatch - Same as the Match but with extended mag release & takedown lever, flat trigger, & composite grips.
Allround - 1st Gen Allround in new clothes.
XPress/Entry - Similar to the first gen competition model but with fixed sights, no magwell, and some MIM.
Tactical - Same as 1st gen but now with new looks and a magwell.

The interesting part of the 2nd Gen is the modularity, allowing you to add and remove options as you see fit. Additionally, most of the above variants are made in 4" (Short) and 6" (X6). None of the new X line is Mastershop unless funky coloured or otherwise differently styled.

I have not owned or experienced all of them of course but I currently own several, the first gen X5L1 being my favorite with the X6L1 a close second.

That help?
 
^^ You nailed it pretty good TT.

I read that the newer 2nd Gen X series, even though very accurate, had a lot less hand fitting, were easier to manufacture and weren't made to the same level of craftsmanship compared to the 1st Gen X pistols. Did you read that as well?

You mention that the newer series are not manufactured in the Mastershop unless its a special "colored" version, does it also apply to the Classic (which is essentially a L1 in newer clothing), Match and Supermatch versions?
 
Well boys I have both 1st Gen and new 2nd Gen X' series:

My 2nd Gen X Series is more accurate than the 1st Gen gun. Upon close examination I have found the the fit, finish and workmanship are superior on the 2nd Gen X Series gun. Just greater attention to detail & tighter fitted.

That's my experience.

Rich
 
Well boys I have both 1st Gen and new 2nd Gen X' series:

My 2nd Gen X Series is more accurate than the 1st Gen gun. Upon close examination I have found the the fit, finish and workmanship are superior on the 2nd Gen X Series gun. Just greater attention to detail & tighter fitted.

That's my experience.

Rich

Nice to know Rich. Is your 1st Gen a Level 1?
 
Upon close examination I have found the the fit, finish and workmanship are superior on the 2nd Gen X Series gun. Just greater attention to detail & tighter fitted.

That's my experience.

Rich


I'd agree. Those new guns are gorgeous!
 
Some more info via Sig catalogue charts. Not all Mastershop Editions are shown as there were quite a few lower number special orders (like the Canadian "Maple Leaf") and some really wild ultra custom versions.

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One nice feature of the Gen 2 Enhanced (railed) X5's is the ability to add optics and weights with the X-mount and X-weight modules. Certainly not a must have but I'd prefer to have that option rather than not which is one reason why I also lean toward the later versions.
 
^^ You nailed it pretty good TT.

I read that the newer 2nd Gen X series, even though very accurate, had a lot less hand fitting, were easier to manufacture and weren't made to the same level of craftsmanship compared to the 1st Gen X pistols. Did you read that as well?

You mention that the newer series are not manufactured in the Mastershop unless its a special "colored" version, does it also apply to the Classic (which is essentially a L1 in newer clothing), Match and Supermatch versions?

As far as I know the Classic, Match, and Supermatch are not Mastershop guns, though I doubt it makes any difference. Not sure if you recall the P220/226/229 Sport models that preceded the X5's, but all of those were Mastershop guns. As far as I've been able to discern, "Mastershop" production is simply a function of demand and as the demand for X5's skyrocketed a greater percentage of them became 'regular production'. No doubt this was an influence is creating the 2nd Gen and expanding the offering.
 
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