Accuwedge gimmick or useful piece of kit?

I see you are good at quoting dogma, also are you suggesting I'm inexperienced? Even the other member I quoted at least acknowledged that their findings may not apply to an out of spec upper/lower. Dismissing my claim without at least acknowledging that how a round strikes the ramp can effect the concentricity of the round and therefore its accuracy potential shows you have a bit to learn. I've built and ran bench test units, I know a little bit about doing experiments. Can you say the same?

no he said the AMU did the experiment not himself. Of course you can do your experiments, but the AMU has a bit more credentials.

if the upper and lower are built to spec, then no effect on accuracy. if either is not built to spec you dont have an accuracy issue, you have an out of spec issue. So the accuwedge helps you get in spec ok, yes, thats the root cause of your problem! Good if it solved THAT problem.

But it does not help accuracy!
 
The sights on a bolt gun are essentially the same as on an AR and bedding is a big deal...I'll bet dollars to donuts if your AR had no play in it you would be grouping less then 2MOA at 800 meters more often and have an even bigger grin on your face.

I have shot a bolt gun that was loose in the stock and re torqued back to its groups did not change a single bit .Bedding is not the issue with a bolt gun it is barrel interference with the fore end of the stock that causes accuracy problems .
Well I for one call bull#### on your claim and I would love to see an AR that shoots better than 2 MOA at 800 m not just 5-10 rounds but lets say 15 rounds slow deliberate fire .
 
Is there a report on the AMU's experiments? I'd like to read it.

I think the disconnect here is due to two trains of thought. One group is looking at the machine, the other the man and machine.

I wasn't referring to anyone doing experiments themselves, I have some questions about how they did them and what they were trying to learn, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't to discover the usefulness of the accuwedge. It's relevant to the conversation.

If a rifle shoots 1 MOA at 100yds, it shoots 1 MOA and 800yds...

Edit...yes again...

Regarding the AMU's "credentials". This isn't designing the Apollo Rocket. If you had access to their method (and followed it to the letter) and similar equipment you would get the same results. If not their results are incorrect. This is where I distrust the "dogma". I hear about the experiments and how receivers were welded together, but no one has yet produced a link to the report on the study. I can also see how a mil-spec receiver would not benefit IF the rifle is held exactly the same way each time. I can also see situations where the Rifle is not held the same way because there is no contact between the rifle upper and the shooter (bipod). Also are the rifles used in the experiments actually Mil-spec, i.e., randomly pulled off the shelf, or the typical practice of military rifle teams selecting the rifles that group better. Most of the comments here are basically the internet says the AMU did this so it must be so. The part of me that spent 6 months recording data from bench test/pilot equipment wants the details before I accept the common belief.
 
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but but but .... after installing an AccuWedge I got .000427 MOA increase in accuracy ... I swear !

So now you're all tellin' me it's in my head ?

ARGH .... too much reality for a quiet Saturday morning breakfast.

I want my $5 purchase price back :runaway:

Anyone want a used AccuWedge on the E&E for $9 ? Great for start of a Tac build :p
 
Is there a report on the AMU's experiments? I'd like to read it.

I think the disconnect here is due to two trains of thought. One group is looking at the machine, the other the man and machine.

I wasn't referring to anyone doing experiments themselves, I have some questions about how they did them and what they were trying to learn, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't to discover the usefulness of the magwedge. It's relevant to the conversation.

If a rifle shoots 1 MOA at 100yds, it shoots 1 MOA and 800yds...

Edit...yes again...

Regarding the AMU's "credentials". This isn't designing the Apollo Rocket. If you had access to their method (and followed it to the letter) and similar equipment you would get the same results. If not their results are incorrect. This is where I distrust the "dogma". I hear about the experiments and how receivers were welded together, but no one has yet produced a link to the report on the study. I can also see how a mil-spec receiver would not benefit IF the rifle is held exactly the same way each time. I can also see situations where the Rifle is not held the same way because there is no contact between the rifle upper and the shooter (bipod). Also are the rifles used in the experiments actually Mil-spec, i.e., randomly pulled off the shelf, or the typical practice of military rifle teams selecting the rifles that group better. Most of the comments here are basically the internet says the AMU did this so it must be so. The part of me that spent 6 months recording data from bench test/pilot equipment wants the details before I accept the common belief.

Ok so first off, yes a proper hold on the rifle should be what we are discussing, not bench rest shooting with an AR - that really should be another topic all together. If one is shooting from a bipod with an AR and not holding onto the upper, that is pure fail and then the discussion should regress to marksmanship 101.


I not aware of the USAMU publishing reports of any kind, but that is not to say they haven't. I've just never cared enough to bother looking.
A number of articles and books have been published over the years which cover match shooting with the AR, and within, the authors and subject mater experts speak to their experience with this testing anecdotally. G. Zediker's books on the AR cover it from a number of sources including the author. If that wasn't good enough, and because I'm always the sceptic, I've done my own informal testing. As stated, and in case some have missed it - the fitment between upper and lower receiver groups does not affect the mechanical potential accuracy of the rifle.

While the AMU is constantly being cited, there is good reason. They use the AR platform for testing and matches at a professional level, and do it for a living. They employ world class shooters and gunsmiths, sparing no expense in the process. They are experts in the field and when they share information, even anecdotally, I tend to pay attention.

Bottom line is do whatever you feel floats your boat. If you feel it makes a difference for you, then giver'. Just know that people who know better, know that the rifle doesn't care - it's putting bullets where the sights are pointed.
Personally I would never do something that works for me and sell it as gospel, and have a real hard time when others do it.
 
Before using Accuwedge I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Now I cloverleaf 30 round groups on full auto.

Thank you Accuwedge!

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I see you are good at quoting dogma, also are you suggesting I'm inexperienced? Even the other member I quoted at least acknowledged that their findings may not apply to an out of spec upper/lower. Dismissing my claim without at least acknowledging that how a round strikes the ramp can effect the concentricity of the round and therefore its accuracy potential shows you have a bit to learn. I've built and ran bench test units, I know a little bit about doing experiments. Can you say the same?

I'm suggesting that you're chasing a red hearing if you think the accuwedge makes any difference worth discussing. Out of spec guns are garbage and not relevant to the discussion. What's more important to remember is that we are discussing a SERVICE RIFLE designed for social work not winning competitions. Acceptable hits within the effective range of the rifle and cartridge are all that matter, and the accuwedge does absolutely zero to improve on that. Many on this forum and in this discussion are failing to take into account the ammunition used as well. I doubt most here are using high quality match grade ammo which means the groups they shoot with bulk or surplus ammo are of little merit.
 
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