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You can fire 308 Winchester ammunition in a .270 Winchester chambered Savage 111, twice, before realizing something was amiss? Maybe the sticky, almost stuck bolt and missing primer hinted at a mistake.



Happened a couple benches over from me today. I guess that the guy bought his gun recently from Cabela's and the salesman grabbed a box of ammo for him as well. Perfect storm of ignorance and cluelessness almost cost someone big time. Person had to ask the Range officer what he thought was wrong... This is ( or should be) covered multiple times in the course, verify your ammunition!

I swear some of the examiners are handing out licences. I'll probably get flamed for this but I really think the courses should be audited and toughened up as I see this crapp way too often.
 
I've seen 9mm in a 40SW, I was running the line as a range officer when the guy asked me why his gun wasn't properly or ejecting. Still have the bulged out case, and this was an "experienced" guy as he described himself.

Glad no one got hurt op
 
Ho. Lee. Schitt.

Makes me feel pretty dumb for ever asking if it was safe to fire .311 bullets out of a .308.

If he was shooting copper solids though, perhaps it would have ended differently...
 
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kodiakjack said:
Ho. Lee. Schitt.

Makes me feel pretty for ever asking if it was safe to fire .311 bullets out of a .308.

If he was shooting copper solids though, perhaps it would have ended differently...
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No kidding! That's never even crossed my mind! I've seen 308 in 30-06 and the above mentioned booboos but never one this extreme. Pretty obvious difference in case size AND calibre. Guy seemed pretty green and oblivious to ammo differences.
 
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Wonder if he's got any rifling left?
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I'm sure the rifling was fine but we were not sure about the bolt lugs. The primer in one case was completely gone as seen and the other case was pretty much fused with the primer.

Just amazed and happy it did not end differently. I hope he learned a valuable and simple lesson today.
 
I have to say- I saw a similar thing a few years ago a couple benches down. Buddy had a new Ruger. First couldn't get the bolt in it. Second, kept going click... go over to help the guy and he has .308 ammo rolling around in the 300winmag chamber of his rifle and can't figure out why it isn't going bang.

The .308 in a .270 is mindblowing that it didn't end in tears... you should have sent out the SN so someone doesn't buy a "only shot twice" rifle on the EE.
 
Found these at the range one day. 7x57 in a .270

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The Savage handles gas better than most. Second set of lugs to block the raceways.

This could have been a blown rifle.

I know of a 25-06 that got blown up with a 308 proof round. Proof house forgot to read the caliber on the rifle.
 
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How in the fцсж did the gun not come apart.

I suppose a .308 squeezed down a .270? holee jeezus

you cannot tell me the gun barrel is the same as before.

calling Cris Angel
 
Kayser Sose said:
How in the fцсж did the gun not come apart.

I suppose a .308 squeezed down a .270? holee jeezus

you cannot tell me the gun barrel is the same as before.

calling Cris Angel
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How? Because despite the doom and gloom picture painted to the newbs while on their course, guns are mostly some pretty strong gear.

There have been experiments done in the past, that have blown up guns, and attempted to blow up guns both by purposely loading overloaded and overbore ammo into them. the two that come to mind immediately, were the experiments done by Buhmiller (spelling?) in attempting to destroy a Winchester High Wall action by loading massive overloads of pistol powders, as well as I think Hatcher, experimenting with an Arisaka, which they reamed out the chamber to be able to load in bullets much larger than the bore size. Both guns put up with amazing levels of abuse, especially considering that they were not starting with a prime example in the first place, in either case, as I recall.

Not saying that it's a good idea, just that most folks have no real clue just how much strength there actually is, in the things they use around them every day.

Figure this. The .308 diameter bullet had to jump forward first through the neck area of the .270 chamber, which like as not is fairly loose fit on the bullet, then got swaged down through the leade, from .308 to .277, a .031 step. At very high speeds.

Like as not, yeah, the gun barrel is the same as before.

But only measuring and properly inspecting it will tell the tale.

It's kinda boogered up, but I sure wouldn't be too worried about it becoming a wall-hanger unless there was some actual evidence of damage.

Cheers
Trev
 
I have no answers to how our firearm training could be improved, but the op story reminds me of my nephew.

Several years ago my nephew got 100% on his hunters safety course. 1 week later he came to do some target shooting. When they arrived a set 2 shotguns and 3 rifles on my pool table and asked him to identify the guns. His answer : aaaau what do you mean? I then opened the ammo cabinet and said "pick a gun and find the correct ammo for it" . His answer : how do I do that? Then I asked if they had taught him to read the barrel stamp and the head stamp on the ammo. His answer :I thought I just needed to know that for the test! I am sure he will not give either me or his dad that answer again, and he will not forget the safety rules very soon.
 
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