Grizzly Rifle

My griz gun is a 30-06 with a 24" barrel, shooting a 168 gr TSX at 2925 fps. Keep the distance at 150 - 200M, that bullet will penetrate straight through, which is what you want on a griz.

That'll work. I feel the most important thing in a grizzly rifle is familiarity, reliable function. A gun the operator can run blind.

Buddy killed a nice boar just east of your area. Used a .35whelen. Hole through the chest cavity isn't good for any mammal.

How many here hunt grizzlies? I haven't personally (full disclosure) but wonder about it. Seems a popular topic for a critter with limited opportunity.
 
That'll work. I feel the most important thing in a grizzly rifle is familiarity, reliable function. A gun the operator can run blind.

Buddy killed a nice boar just east of your area. Used a .35whelen. Hole through the chest cavity isn't good for any mammal.

How many here hunt grizzlies? I haven't personally (full disclosure) but wonder about it. Seems a popular topic for a critter with limited opportunity.

Hasn't been a legal grizz hunt here in Alberta since 2005 I think but I could be wrong.

Anyway that don't mean we can't encounter a grizz while hunting other game. (which we do) but.

My go to rifle is a Winchester model 70 in .30 06 and I've been hunting with it since 1976..so..Yup you guess it..

It's my grizz rifle if ever I need one.. lol
 
This is as close as I can come to meeting your specs. My Zastava with Bushnell Elite 3200 and doesn't require any length alterations. The 'biggest' hurdle for me in using it on the game animal in question is my lovely lady doesn't find the concept of Bear appealing. There are quite a few tasty looking Black Bears here but I've been trying for the past 49 years and haven't made any headway yet in convincing her.




beautiful rig.
your wife never tried my chili or bourguignon? made from bear meat ...
 
...My Zastava with Bushnell Elite 3200...
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Excellent rifle and caliber.
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Using my fullstock custom Zastava 416 Rem. Mag. I'm more confident the big Griz won't run very far if at all shot properly with it. Not quite as elegant but has more range and is more likely to put it down faster than my 9.3x74R Ruger No.1.

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I've always had a soft spot for the full wood Mannlicher style rifles, but only those in a matching European calibre. After some of Teds posts on the 9.3x62, ;) aka .366 Wagner :), I decided to get one. I went the 'inexpensive' route and picked up a Zastava from Tradex. While the action doesn't cycle as smoothly as that of many other manufacturers, considering the cash outlay, I was :eek: pleasantly surprised by the accuracy with my initial reloads. So much so, :) I purchased a matching 'partner' for it in 7x57.

 
Sure like the 9.3, but a lung shot big Grizzly at 200 yards using that I'd bet it will run quite a ways. Lotsa luck finding it in the thickets - if it doesn't find you first. :eek:

Using my fullstock custom Zastava 416 Rem. Mag. I'm more confident the big Griz won't run very far if at all shot properly with it.

How far will one run if you lung shoot it at 200 yd with your 416 rem Mag?

To be clear, I always get a close as I can. The last grizzly I shot was around 65 yd, and never got back up.

My experience on all bears, including grizzlies, is that they die quite quickly with hits to the heart/lungs, and that area is much easier to hit for every hunter than the smaller point of the shoulder. Bears wounded with poorly placed shoulder shots that do not break that big joint can live a long time.

The last wounded grizzly I rooted out of the willows for a hunter was exciting to say the least. It always is.....
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My last grizzly skull measured 24 3/16" after a 375 cal 300gr Partition hit it at appr 2350fps bullet passed thru both lungs and exited thru the opposite leg/shoulder made it 80 yards into the thickest crap bush you could imagine.
 
Its common for hunters to compare cartridges on a ballistics table then underrate the 9.3X62; for some time I was guilty of this myself. Interestingly, after being witness to hundreds of kills during his 10 years as a professional hunter in Kenya, Finn Aagaard, and his contemporaries, expressed the opinion that the reaction of game hit with the 9.3X62, was indiscernible from game hit with a .375 H&H. How can this be?? The H&H shoots heavier bullets, faster, producing more energy!! The trouble is that using kinetic energy as a measure of killing power is a red herring, what's important is how that energy is imparted to the target.

During its heyday, the secret of the 9.3's success was in the design and construction of it's 286 gr hemispherical nosed, parallel sided, soft point bullet, combined with a modest velocity. By contrast, the .375 typically used tapered bullets, that had thicker jackets and harder cores to withstand higher impact velocities. Target density is an important consideration when choosing a bullet, whether for prairie dogs or elephants. A bear, even a big bear, isn't heavily constructed like some African or Asiatic game, so choosing a bullet designed to fully expand and still produce 30" of penetration in three quarters of a ton of African buffalo, with its inch thick skin, overlapping ribs, dense muscle, and massive bones, quite likely won't produce optimum performance if used on an 800 pound grizzly. Of course shooting him through both shoulders, the spine, or a frontal chest shot with a hard bullet won't do him any good, but it will do it no better than the softer, slower 9.3.
 
Its common for hunters to compare cartridges on a ballistics table then underrate the 9.3X62; for some time I was guilty of this myself. Interestingly, after being witness to hundreds of kills during his 10 years as a professional hunter in Kenya, Finn Aagaard, and his contemporaries, expressed the opinion that the reaction of game hit with the 9.3X62, was indiscernible from game hit with a .375 H&H. How can this be?? The H&H shoots heavier bullets, faster, producing more energy!! The trouble is that using kinetic energy as a measure of killing power is a red herring, what's important is how that energy is imparted to the target.

During its heyday, the secret of the 9.3's success was in the design and construction of it's 286 gr hemispherical nosed, parallel sided, soft point bullet, combined with a modest velocity. By contrast, the .375 typically used tapered bullets, that had thicker jackets and harder cores to withstand higher impact velocities. Target density is an important consideration when choosing a bullet, whether for prairie dogs or elephants. A bear, even a big bear, isn't heavily constructed like some African or Asiatic game, so choosing a bullet designed to fully expand and still produce 30" of penetration in three quarters of a ton of African buffalo, with its inch thick skin, overlapping ribs, dense muscle, and massive bones, quite likely won't produce optimum performance if used on an 800 pound grizzly. Of course shooting him through both shoulders, the spine, or a frontal chest shot with a hard bullet won't do him any good, but it will do it no better than the softer, slower 9.3.

Excellent! Well stated Boomer. Great assessment and much appreciated info.
 
How far will one run if you lung shoot it at 200 yd with your 416 rem Mag?...

I would bet DRT based on my experience with 300 or 350gr X bullets on large ungulates which I have seen pile up instantly with lung shots. Shot broadside out to intermediate range it makes a big hole clear through the chest and a large blood-shot area which indicates massive hydrostatic shock.

Makes sense that the larger the wound volume the quicker it will expire? A much quicker demise than say attempting a double-lunger using a 223 with 55gr SP ammo? :p
 
Its common for hunters to compare cartridges on a ballistics table then underrate the 9.3X62; for some time I was guilty of this myself. Interestingly, after being witness to hundreds of kills during his 10 years as a professional hunter in Kenya, Finn Aagaard, and his contemporaries, expressed the opinion that the reaction of game hit with the 9.3X62, was indiscernible from game hit with a .375 H&H. How can this be?? The H&H shoots heavier bullets, faster, producing more energy!! The trouble is that using kinetic energy as a measure of killing power is a red herring, what's important is how that energy is imparted to the target.

During its heyday, the secret of the 9.3's success was in the design and construction of it's 286 gr hemispherical nosed, parallel sided, soft point bullet, combined with a modest velocity. By contrast, the .375 typically used tapered bullets, that had thicker jackets and harder cores to withstand higher impact velocities. Target density is an important consideration when choosing a bullet, whether for prairie dogs or elephants. A bear, even a big bear, isn't heavily constructed like some African or Asiatic game, so choosing a bullet designed to fully expand and still produce 30" of penetration in three quarters of a ton of African buffalo, with its inch thick skin, overlapping ribs, dense muscle, and massive bones, quite likely won't produce optimum performance if used on an 800 pound grizzly. Of course shooting him through both shoulders, the spine, or a frontal chest shot with a hard bullet won't do him any good, but it will do it no better than the softer, slower 9.3.

I doubt I will ever afford a grizzly hunt, but that is excellent information. Thank you for the read.
 
It has been a few years now since I compared the ballistics of my single shot 21" barreled T/C Contender carbine in 375JDJ to the 9.3x62.

Boomer after reading your post I had to compare it again so just googled it.

Not sure of the 9.3 barrel lengths I looked at but I load my 21" barreled 375JDJ with 260gr Accubonds @ 2300fps whereas the 9.3x62 probably loaded to higher pressures in a bolt rifle is shooting a 285gr @ 2350fps.

I wouldn't hesitate to take a deer out to 300 yards with this 375JDJ combo where the 260gr Accubond is still doing 1800fps but I'd limit my range to 150 yards on a grizzly though.

I'm thinking I have finally decided that this rifle is the one I'm going to take black bear hunting this spring...

Also if for whatever reason we are ever limited to only being legally allowed to own one rifle it would be this stainless 21" factory tapered barreled T/C Contender carbine in 375JDJ.
 
I would bet DRT based on my experience with 300 or 350gr X bullets on large ungulates which I have seen pile up instantly with lung shots. Shot broadside out to intermediate range it makes a big hole clear through the chest and a large blood-shot area which indicates massive hydrostatic shock.

Makes sense that the larger the wound volume the quicker it will expire? A much quicker demise than say attempting a double-lunger using a 223 with 55gr SP ammo? :p

There is no way a large grizzly will ever be a DRT from a lung shot my last grizzly ran minimum 80 yards with a 300gr .375 Partition from a 375RUM thru its lungs.

Only way to get DRT is to break bone/spine/central nervous system.
 
...Finn Aagaard, and his contemporaries, expressed the opinion that the reaction of game hit with the 9.3X62, was indiscernible from game hit with a .375 H&H...

Not surprising. I don't see a big difference between my 375 H&H Magnum and my 9.3x74R (ballistic equivalent of the 9.3x62). 37.5 caliber vs. 36.6 caliber, both throw a bullet weighing about 300 grains in the 2400 to 2500 fps range.
 
I shoot a 375 so that would be my first choice if the fellow has time to shoot and get familiar with it. either h&h my favorite or the ruger. probably a better choice is a 338 loaded with a good 225 or 250 grn bullets. if not a reloader the 338 is cheaper to run and easier to shoot. generaly lighter too.
 
Might want to try more bullet diameter, weight and speed. ;)

Ok but I have to ask how does a slightly wider dia 416 Rem give more velocity than a 375RUM in any bullet weight?

I also shoot 350gr TSX/Woodleigh/North Fork 375RUM loads I reduced the velocity to 2450fps from 2520fps the recoil from the higher velocity loads made a fast second shot a little slower than I like.

There is no way a lung shot on a grizzly with a 375/416/458 anything will instantly drop a grizzly that is unless you are shooting little ones.
 
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