BigUglyMan
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You must have mistaken this for the EE. It's farther down the page.
Has the Model 70 Winchester Fallen off the map?
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You must have mistaken this for the EE. It's farther down the page.
Canadian Dealers attend the annual Shot Show in Las Vegas and put in their orders for the year and at that they take a fair amount of time to arrive. . Browning has become their own competition and the supply of Winchester Model 70's is a result. . They're not a real Winchester anyways with this made or assembled or whatever in Portugal. . The Winchester rifle Cabelas are stocking is a Browning type low ender made in Portugal. Put it alongside the Browning equivalent and there both the same except one says Winchester and the other Browning. No resemblance to a Model 70 what so ever.
Model 70's are available but it's a long wait. . Bass Pro. in Tsawwassen told me they'll order me an Extreme Weather, I forget the exact price but was up there around $1800 for Win Mag.. .
Model 70's are available but it's a long wait. . Bass Pro. in Tsawwassen told me they'll order me an Extreme Weather, I forget the exact price but was up there around $1800 for Win Mag.. .
In what way aren't they a real winchester?
It's a far better gun than any stamped with the winchester name since the 60s. Unless I'm missing so etching that's, 50 years of substandard rifles. Where these real Winchesters?
They're controlled round feed like the originals? Post 64 are push. Where these real Winchesters?
Built before 1964. The control round feed from New Haven were real Winchesters. . The ones now are FN's . .
Sort of a trick question. The .458 is on the exact same action as the .375. It's the express action with a narrower rear bridge and slightly longer ejection port. The funny thing is it doesn't need to be. When chambered for the .458 it uses the bolt stop, ejector and blocked off magazine from the 30-06 length family. When it comes right down to it, the long action M70 is more of a H&H length action that usually has features to shorten it down to standard length. It's a better rifle set up long; fortunately it's real easy to
make those changes.
So because one corporate interest (olin) owned them and through a serious of other changes, it's now owned by another corporate interest (FN) one is somehow real, and the other isn't. Come on.
Ford built the model T, do you consider everything they have made since not Real? Even if they are much better?
Olin sold out to the employees around 1981 but retained ownership of the Winchester name and leased the rights to use the Winchester name to U.S. Repeating Arms Company. . The employees were not allowed to use "Winchester Repeating Arms Company" (WRACO). . . U.S. Repeating Arms Co. are the closest there is to the OLIN owned Winchesters. . Winchester firearms flourished under Olin ownership including the Model 70, the M21, M42 and more. . The Olin Family were hunters and had pride in building the best firearms possible. . Pre-64 Winchesters were kept on life support long after it was economically feasible and subsidized by the other aspects of Olin Industries. . You can call these latest rifles Model 70's until the cows come home, no problem there, but they're not real Winchesters.
Connecticut Shotgun purchased the rights, from Olin, to manufacture copies of the Model 21. . These are excellent made Model 21 Shotguns and are sold as Winchester M21 made by Connecticut Shotgun Manuufacturing Co. (CSMC). . but cannot be barrel stamped Winchester Repeating Arms Co. . These are fine shotguns, and held in very high regard, but they are not real Winchesters . . .
If some other outfit started building Model T's today they would be classified as a reproduction of the real deal. In other words a copy but not a real Ford Model T. Even less if it was made in Portugal.
Connecticut Shotgun purchased the rights, from Olin, to manufacture copies of the Model 21. . These are excellent made Model 21 Shotguns and are sold as Winchester M21 made by Connecticut Shotgun Manuufacturing Co. (CSMC). . but cannot be barrel stamped Winchester Repeating Arms Co. . These are fine shotguns, and held in very high regard, but they are not real Winchesters . . .
If some other outfit started building Model T's today they would be classified as a reproduction of the real deal. In other words a copy but not a real Ford Model T. Even less if it was made in Portugal.
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BeaverMeat
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Lack of demand in this area of the country when it comes to "new" guns. The Browning is more popular because of detachable magazines. Reason: truck hunting and CO run-ins.
One sat on my LGS'a rack for close to two years before anyone bought it.
I myself wouldn't buy a new M70. Not because it's inferior. I prefer classic hunting rifles made in the 50s and early 60s. The pre-64 M70s and FN actioned rifles are my preference. They fit me well and look and feel like... quality. Plus they don't have a recoil pad from factory. But that's just my opinion.
One sat on my LGS'a rack for close to two years before anyone bought it.
I myself wouldn't buy a new M70. Not because it's inferior. I prefer classic hunting rifles made in the 50s and early 60s. The pre-64 M70s and FN actioned rifles are my preference. They fit me well and look and feel like... quality. Plus they don't have a recoil pad from factory. But that's just my opinion.
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I think this really just matters to a collector, not a user. Browning is just doing the same thing with Winchester that has been working for Browning marked firearms since they first hit the market. Browning firearms are still brownings whether they are from Belgium, the US, Portugal or Japan are they not?
What really matters is that they have taken a proven design and started manufacturing them again to a high standard, but you pay the price for it.
There are few off the shelf rifles I would pay the same price for and get the same workmanship as a new model 70.
TacticalTeacher
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My Precision Rifle rig is a Remmy but I hunt with CRF Ruger Scout and Winnie Model 70 rigs. It's all good. Harder to find Model 70 rifles....Though. I am pleased with the current Portugal or BACO or FN Winnie's and post 64 push feed, they all work and shoot well. I ain't complaining. Now when it comes to fondle factor while sitting in a stand or ground blind, it's a Winnie 70 for me. While pushing Bush with a crew and dogs , then the Ruger Scout gets the nod.
Cheers and buy what works for you, your budget, your game, your style, your fondle factor, your look cool value, your ego, your stroke factor, well you get what I mean. Life is short.
Barney
Cheers and buy what works for you, your budget, your game, your style, your fondle factor, your look cool value, your ego, your stroke factor, well you get what I mean. Life is short.
Barney
BigUglyMan
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All standard-length "magnums" such as the 300WM and 458 WM are built on "long-magnum" actions. There is very little needed to convert a 3.34" version to 3.7". New mag box and follower and some slight grinding to the ejector and the rear corner of the feed rails where they are milled out round instead of square. Dead simple. You can accomplish the whole thing after supper with hand tools.
We can disagree on this forever. Won't change a thing. There is winchester stamped on the side, for me that's good enough.
I know as a hunter, the new ones are excellent rifles and would gladly take one over any other model 70, pre or post. They have a high quality of finish and function. It matters not to me who owns it or who makes it as long as it works like I want.
I've been wanting to add a preowned M70 to my small collection but given my limited resources I always seen to settle for something with a detachable magazine instead. My lgs doesn't carry any new rifles that don't have a detachable mag.
