8mm ammo for g43 rifle question

CanadianAR said:
This isn't really a debate on shootable 8mm in bolt actions. He's running it in a G43. Early-mid G43 suffered lots of issues. Not worth running hot or problematic ammo in them. A later one is better but still. They are rare eniugh to run decent ammo in them.
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I wasnt really debating on what was shootable in bolt actions i was trying to share my experience with how the same lot of surplus ammo behaved differently in 2 different rifles.
 
Surplus1 said:
I wasnt really debating on what was shootable in bolt actions i was trying to share my experience with how the same lot of surplus ammo behaved differently in 2 different rifles.
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Valid point no guarantee ammo that worked for one will perform the same for someone else. Stuff is getting old after all.
 
good info so far after cleaning things up ill check the ammo further / headstamps an sort out by maker / nationality. it is TOUGH to locate 8mm wich is why i grabbed this old lot. i do reload 8mm but still working on a load my g43 likes.
 
angry soldier------------i an shooting a g43 semi auto mauser.............the turk ammo and some other is loaded hot and that would cause me grief or worse.

may be ok in bolt gun but not my g43.

UPDATE.

MY AMMO ( 100 ROUNDS ) IS mostly a mix of ISREALI 1951, AND SELLIER AND BELLOT pre WW2 ( 1938 ) ammo plus 6 rounds IMPERRIAL MADE 8MM HUNTING AMMO

PLUS ........ 1 round is a 8x57J and As that was mentioned earlier, and 2 rounds with no head stamp but not 8mm bullet, way too small of a bullet but casing is very similar / just a tad shorter than the 8mm.
 
but the average german trooper didnt pay 1000$ for a rifle and his 8mm ammo was in spec , he wasnt worried about hotter mg ammo from some other nation getting mixed into his magazine sir.

anyway lets noT argue im only asking about what surplus IS SDAFE TO USE IN MY G43 OK?
 
angrysoldier said:
I shoot it through all my 8mm's. do you really think the germans were picky what went through their guns?? the were not. if it was 8 mm the shot it.
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Their rifles were new and as far as they knew flawless.....to ignore time and newfound knowledge would be dumb. I'm willing to wager you don't blast Turkish through a g41 or g43.
 
angrysoldier said:
I shoot it through all my 8mm's. do you really think the germans were picky what went through their guns?? the were not. if it was 8 mm the shot it.
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Germans switched to a heavier bullet (Patrone s.S) way before WW2 but Turks still kept producing old Patrone S. I highly doubt Patrone S saw any use in German military during WW2. Older version has lighter bullet, higher velocity and muzzle energy. Lighter round might be still ok for bolt action rifles but it will cause damage to semi autos or MG's.
 
CanadianAR said:
8x57JS will be hotter then 8mm Mauser. "8mm Mauser" is typically loaded to safe North American specs, vs full power euro specs
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found 1 round of 8x57js mixed in THE LOT,
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2 other mystery rounds CASING IS about 1/4 inch or less than compared to 8mm mauser, and a much smaller bullet ( 7mm? ) also appears those 2 rounds have a very scant rim ANY IDeA WHAT THOSE MAY BE? BRASS CASING COPPER LOOKING FM BULLET!?
 
The g43 is a vet bring back complete rifle is there. I've had it now about 25 years and was my father's deer rifle. It eats a steady diet of yugo and Turkish 8 mm. After 25 years you would think there would be a problem? I'm also picking up a Hakeem and it to will be fed a diet of turk and yugo 8mm.
 
angrysoldier said:
The g43 is a vet bring back complete rifle is there. I've had it now about 25 years and was my father's deer rifle. It eats a steady diet of yugo and Turkish 8 mm. After 25 years you would think there would be a problem? I'm also picking up a Hakeem and it to will be fed a diet of turk and yugo 8mm.
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Good on ya! I sure wont' be shooting my matching g43! Too much risk of damage.
 
You are a idiot for shooting Patrone 'S' out of your rifle, expecially when warned about it. All the rumours surrounding Turkish 8mm ammo exist because people don't understand that it is at a different pressure and will destroy guns not designed for that pressure.

I have heard it called 'machine gun ammo', and rumours that the powder 'degraded' over the years increasing the velocity, well the reality is it is just a different earlier loading for that cartridge. Firearms have been destroyed by that ammo due to the pressure curve and the actions not being designed for it. Specifically I have personally seen examples of FN-49s and Hakims that were destroyed by it.

What you are doing is reckless and irresponsible, all to save a couple bucks. I hope the firearms and you aren't harmed by it, but there is a good chance you will be. As much as you may try, you can't fix stupid.
 
all my recent surplus ammo is a mix of 1938 pre war portuges, 1942 ww2 german, post war 51 isreali , and some 1938 sellier-- bellot , and my modern reloads, i should be ok with my shooters kit installed.
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when cleaning and sorting i FOUND 2 ROUNDS OF 7.7 JAP AMMO/ semi rimmed mg rounds , and 1 8x57 j round ( round nosed and had a stamping on the primer? )

good thing i checked/ once over before going off to the ranges.
 
angrysoldier said:
The g43 is a vet bring back complete rifle is there. I've had it now about 25 years and was my father's deer rifle. It eats a steady diet of yugo and Turkish 8 mm. After 25 years you would think there would be a problem? I'm also picking up a Hakeem and it to will be fed a diet of turk and yugo 8mm.
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If your vet being back is all original it's definitely dumb. It's a proven fact damage will occur. But your rifle you can mistreat it, although it's sad to see a piece of history abused.

Post photos of the rifle. I'm always interested in seeing an original matching g43.
 
too bad this diss agreement is on .................i asked my question for reasons of NOT chancing damaging my g43 ( ac44 east german vopo re issue an restored by me )

to COPY A PHRASE ----------all guns matter !
 
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