.50 beowolf build help

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good day boys and girls, I've set my mind so that im gonna start building a .50 beowolf AR. I have a spikes tactical hellbreaker stripped lower on its way to me courtesy of irunguns. next ill be picking up a lower kit. other than that im not really sure what i need to complete this build. I'll probably end up buying a whole pre assembled alexander arms upper. what else do i need? other than mags also. if anything is unreasonably difficult to source including ammo ill end up going with a .458 socom. but hopefully i dont have to settle for a smaller round :evil:

does an upper and mags complete the whole kit?
 
You're going to want to reload. Even for .458 socom. Last I checked was over $55 for 20 rounds. 250 brass new (starline) is about $400..
I would hit up canadaammo, irunguns and other importers to talk about ammunition first. The upper is the cheap part.

I was looking into either a .50 beo, 458 or 300 blackout to do something fun with an AR.. I'm probably going 300 blackout just because the mags are the same, and I can just reform 223 brass on the 'cheap'. If you get a standard upper for the AR15, you can have the ejection port routed out by a gunsmith.. i'm not certain if any of the business' here offer that, but it shouldn't be too difficult. Just buying the complete A.A. upper will solve that issue though.
As for what else you need, is a bucket of cash to feed the beast. :)

Interested to hear how your build goes though.
 
nate18 said:
. if anything is unreasonably difficult to source including ammo ill end up going with a .458 socom. but hopefully i dont have to settle for a smaller round :evil:

does an upper and mags complete the whole kit?
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Factory loaded ammo, in stock in canada for either caliber is virtually non existent. There is rumored to be 458 coming but at a high cost.

Look at 450 bushmaster and remington 30 AR, both are stocked by retailers in canada at a reasonable price
 
Wolverine is your source. Don't try to piece an upper together, just bite the bullet and buy the Alexander Arms setup. Any standard AR lower will make it run. Other than that, buy yourself a couple bags of brass and load them up with 335gr .500 bullets and some Lil' Gun. The initial purchase is a little pricey, but once you've got it all, you can keep it running for a reasonably low cost. You should be able to find brass for about $1 a piece.

Don't buy aftermarket mags. They won't work with Beowulf rounds. You'll need legit Alexander Arms mags. Hopefully you can find them.
 
BooSSted said:
Wolverine is your source. Don't try to piece an upper together, just bite the bullet and buy the Alexander Arms setup. Any standard AR lower will make it run. Other than that, buy yourself a couple bags of brass and load them up with 335gr .500 bullets and some Lil' Gun. The initial purchase is a little pricey, but once you've got it all, you can keep it running for a reasonably low cost. You should be able to find brass for about $1 a piece.

Don't buy aftermarket mags. They won't work with Beowulf rounds. You'll need legit Alexander Arms mags. Hopefully you can find them.
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Also a good thing to note is the current trial going on back east over the magazine capacity legality issue noted by the RCMP in the FRT table. I know it is not law, but it is being enforced as such currently
 
Brian46 said:
Also a good thing to note is the current trial going on back east over the magazine capacity legality issue noted by the RCMP in the FRT table. I know it is not law, but it is being enforced as such currently
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Says who? If that is true how come the RCMP detachments and members have not been advised of this fact? We as a firearms business have never received any communications of any form to advise of any changes to the regulations, has anyone else?
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Says who? If that is true how come the RCMP detachments and members have not been advised of this fact? We as a firearms business have never received any communications of any form to advise of any changes to the regulations, has anyone else?
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The guy currently in court facing charges paints a very different picture than your assertion nobody has been notified.

As someone who has been exposed to RCMP and CO's in road checks with a NR 50 beowulf rifle. I can tell you that you are taking a big risk not following what the SFSS emails and letters to various retailers along with their legal notes in the FRT table.

I am hoping a legal precedence is set with the current trial, but there have been other cases they dropped in the past, the current case is going forward as it is not likely one they will lose unfortunately.

The gun orgs are also staying out of this one.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Says who? If that is true how come the RCMP detachments and members have not been advised of this fact? We as a firearms business have never received any communications of any form to advise of any changes to the regulations, has anyone else?
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The regulations haven't changed, but the RCMP has been pretty open and clear on their stance on Beowulf mags and how they don't fit within' those regulations. CBSA has been notified that all 5 round Beowulf mags are prohibited, and the FRT table for the Beowulf rifles also state that the mags need to be pinned to 2 rounds. None of this is new news.

There is a case before the courts right now and the crown is proceeding with charges.

As a retailer of these products, you should take a long hard look into this.
 
I thought that court case fell apart and the charges were dropped?
Wasn't it the importation of one specific .50 Beo mag that was rejected that started this conversation? There's nothing listed in the RCMP CFP Special Bulletins about .50 Beo mags.

This is a confusing thread.
 
Mauser GDog said:
I thought that court case fell apart and the charges were dropped?
Wasn't it the importation of one specific .50 Beo mag that was rejected that started this conversation? There's nothing listed in the RCMP CFP Special Bulletins about .50 Beo mags.

This is a confusing thread.
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There isn't and won't be a specific bulletin on this. The RCMP believes that it falls within' the definition of a prohibited device, so that definition in and of itself is the "bulletin"

We won't get a straight answer on this until it's decided in court.

For the record, I'm not taking a side here. I'm just outlining the current state of affairs. Not looking to open the can of worms again.
 
Mauser GDog said:
I thought that court case fell apart and the charges were dropped?
Wasn't it the importation of one specific .50 Beo mag that was rejected that started this conversation? There's nothing listed in the RCMP CFP Special Bulletins about .50 Beo mags.

This is a confusing thread.
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As far as I know the case is going to trial. It stemmed from mags that were found during a search warrant of his home.
 
Mauser GDog said:
I thought that court case fell apart and the charges were dropped?
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In previous cases where people claimed to be charged, then later claimed charges were dropped (the reason I say "claimed" is that the individuals charged have never produced a police file number or case number so anyone can look up details of the charges and why they were dropped) The police and crown now feel they have a case they will not lose, so are going forward.
Wasn't it the importation of one specific .50 Beo mag that was rejected that started this conversation?
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anyone who has submitted a 50 beowulf magazine to the RCMP for approval to sell in canada has got the same email or letter response as Armtac did when they submitted a sample. https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1237510-50-Bw-mags-things-are-getting-stupid?p=11386913&viewfull=1#post11386913
Armtac said:
Being the dealer with Alexander Arms, we were originally going to manufacturer the polymer version of the .50 Beowulf mags in Korea completely with a new mold 2 years ago. We have one currently sitting with RCMP for inspection, however, numerous email with RCMP did mentioned that they will not likely going to approve any .50 Beowulf magazine.

Here is a portion of the communication I have with RCMP

"Across the spectrum of numerous inspections, RCMP-SFSS has not seen a single 50 Beowulf magazine or a single 458 Socom Calibre magazine for the AR-15 platform that is not prohibited. This is because the magazine designs we have seen have been adapted from the AR-15/M16 5.56 x 45 mm design to accommodate the 458 Socom & 50 Beowulf calibre cartridge but have never lost the 5.56 mm design features.

I am not here to argue, I am here to tell people what SFSS told me.

It really doesn't make any sense to me either, but a lot of stuffs in life doesn't make any sense as well.
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There's nothing listed in the RCMP CFP Special Bulletins about .50 Beo mags.
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legal comments in the frt table
The "Canadian Law Comments" section says for FRT #121656.

In the case of AR platform rifles chambered for the 50 Beowulf calibre, the magazine is adapted from the original 5.56x45 NATO version of the magazine but the ability of the magazine to perform as originally designed has not been compromised by the adaption. As a result such magazines are prohibited if they contain more than five 5.56x45 NATO cartridges. The magazines are in effect dual calibre magazines and are prohibited if they exceed five shots capacity of either calibre. An AR platform magazine limited to no more than five 5.56x45 NATO (223 Remington) cartridges will hold no more than two 50 Beowulf cartridges.
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This is a confusing thread.
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not really when you have a vested interest in the topic.
 
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Spoke with Tracey at the CCFR (Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights) today and they said they stand by their opinion that Beowulf Mags are not prohibited devices even if they hold more than 5 rounds of .556.
 
Kivekur said:
Spoke with Tracey at the CCFR (Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights) today and they said they stand by their opinion that Beowulf Mags are not prohibited devices even if they hold more than 5 rounds of .556.
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That's an opinion only....similar to the ruling by the rcmp.....and the rcmp enforce the law in some jurisdictions. When your getting bracelets tossed on you, I don't think "Tracy at ccfr said they are ok" will hold any ground. Just sayin.....
 
Kivekur said:
Spoke with Tracey at the CCFR (Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights) today and they said they stand by their opinion that Beowulf Mags are not prohibited devices even if they hold more than 5 rounds of .556.
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You know what opinions are like, right?
 
With Alexander Arms magazines being sold with 2 round capacity (norther republic magazines) it seems that CBSA is enforcing the RCMP opinion upon importation now.
 
It's a bit confusing that the distributor has everything but magazines but doesn't have any idea about the legal concerns surrounding said magazines.
 
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