Outfitter sentenced

Do stupid sh+t and get caught, face the consequences.

But seeing as this guy is a poacher and not a hunter, maybe this should go in the CGN News section? Or maybe you think because he's an outfitter guiding evil Americans for profit it belongs in here. ;)

I'm sure we can flood this section with stories of poachers being convicted all over Canada, but those threads would probably get moved.
 
Yet another case to highlight what is seriously wrong with how we manage wildlife in this country. 378 bear gall bladders...imagine he could actually sell this stuff legally and pay the wildlife department a 30% royalty to invest in a habitat fund and actual anti bear poaching and prevent other species from being poached only for their parts. Just the 378 bear gall bladders he has at $500 each are worth about $189,000 in the Asian market. We're not even counting the tens of thousands of bears that are shot nationwide only to have their hides removed and the rest of the carcass laid to rot or shot because it was near a farmers livestock.

We need to start taking advantage of the Asian markets for wildlife and start generating hundreds of millions of $$$ back into conservation and enforcement. This guy should be managjng the national bear parts program for goodness sake. I'm very clear in my position on the trade and sale of wildlife. Not only should it be legal it should be an integral part of sustainable resource management. No different than a farmer who sells grain and reinvests the profits in land aqusition, machinery and other inputs. You buy a tag, you get the whole animal. You should be able to sell legally obtained parts in a regulated market.

We need to start injecting huge cash back into wildlife or else we won't have any. Goverment policy has more to do with declining wildlife populations than poachers ever will. Much easier to deal with trade in animal parts when it's legal, permitted, and marketed through a single organisation or program. Part of the reason we have declining wildlife in this country is that we have no way to realise the full value of it in a global marketplace while virtually every other thing like cattle and grain can be sold and profits reinvested into the business and industry. It's about time we level the playing field here.
 
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umchorn2 said:
Yet another case to highlight what is seriously wrong with how we manage wildlife in this country. 378 bear gall bladders...imagine he could actually sell this stuff legally and pay the wildlife department a 30% royalty to invest in a habitat fund and actual anti bear poaching and prevent other species from being poached knly for their parts. Just the 378 bear gall bladders he has at $500 each are worth about $189,000 in the Asian market. We're not even counting the tens of thousands of bears that are shot only tk have their hides removed and the rest of the carcass laid to rot.

We need to start taking advantage of the Asian markets for wildlife and start generating hu dreds of millions of $$$ back into conservation and enforcement. This guy should be managjng the natiknal bear gall bladder program for goodness sake. I'm verh clear in my position on the trade and sale of wildlife. Not only should it be legal it sjould be an integral part of sustainable resource management. No different than a farmer who sells grain and reinvests the profits in land aqusition, machinery and other inputs.

We need to start injecting huge cash back into wildlife or else we won't have any. Goverment policy has more to do with declining wildlife populations than poachers ever will. Much easier to deal with trade in animal parts when it's legal, permitted, and marketed through a single organisation or program.
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What happens to those Canadians who don't need licenses nor have bag limits or seasons? Surely they will also be able to sell wildlife parts. Ever think about that one?
I'm quite fine with the current laws on gall bladders and other animal parts/meat. It should remain illegal to sell them.
 
bearkilr said:
What happens to those Canadians who don't need licenses nor have bag limits or seasons? Surely they will also be able to sell wildlife parts. Ever think about that one?
I'm quite fine with the current laws on gall bladders and other animal parts/meat. It should remain illegal to sell them.
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That becomes a serious problem. You would obviously have to have purchased a license. Otherwise there is no way to prove that it is your legally obtained parts you're selling. Problem solved. Every part has to have a license with it. And there are only so many licenses to go around so tags are limited. No different than it is now only that you damn well should have the right to sell what you legally harvest in a regulated marketplace to some degree.

This isn't going to result in increases in unregulated hunting or poaching but rather it will be the start of true sustainable resource management and finally a self suficient profitable industry that can begin to compete with all the other resource uses that our landbase has to offer.
 
umchorn2 said:
That becomes a serious problem. You would obviously have to have purchased a license. Otherwise there is no way to prove that it is your legally obtained parts you're selling. Problem solved. Every part has to have a license with it. And there are only so many licenses to go around so tags are limited. No different than it is now only that you damn well should have the right to sell what you legally harvest in a regulated marketplace to some degree.

This isn't going to result in increases in unregulated hunting or poaching but rather it will be the start of true sustainable resource management and finally a self suficient profitable industry that can begin to compete with all the other resource uses that our landbase has to offer.
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A treaty card is all one needs as proof of a legally obtained animal.
You would have to change that law first. Good luck with that.

Anyhow, back to poachers. Way off topic here.
 
That's the way to deal with poaching in NB.

DO: Charge the poachers, fine them heavily, seize all their equipment and guns and jail them

DON'T: Stop innocent people from target practicing and shooting in the woods as long as they are doing it safely and in accordance with the law


Unfortunately punishing the innocent and excusing the guilty is the Canadian way.
 
How many bear gall bladders? Three hundred and seventy eight. That is a lot of dead bears not tagged by legal licenced hunters during open seasons, and often times using small town outfitters and guides. The offender committed an economic crime against his community.
 
How many bear gall bladders? Sounds like a pro poacher and dealing in black market with organized crime. Must have got off easy for rolling over on his buddies.
 
BlackVoid said:
What is that about his ##### fetish. Walrus? what the hell?
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You're buying the news spin. No defence for this guy sounds like he was poaching game without tags / or out of season and he deserves what he got and likely more, but what they're calling #####es are baculum, a bone. They're illegal to retain / possess in many places due to an Asian market for them, but for centuries have been retained as a curio, pen, whistle, you name it. It's just a bone, literally.

GunMunKey said:
How many bear gall bladders? Sounds like a pro poacher and dealing in black market with organized crime. Must have got off easy for rolling over on his buddies.
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I'd bet he was buying them for resale not shooting them all himself, either way against the law in NB sounds like (and here).
 
If we could sell bear gall bladders taken on a hunting licence, the price for these would drop to the point it would not be worth while trying to poach them just for the bladder. There is about 20K bears killed annually on tags.
 
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