Need help identifying NO4 MK1 enfield markings

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Just picked up a NO4 MK1 from the gunshow that was in Calgary recently just wondering on the markings if someone could confirm where this may have been made. The markings AL5836 are both on the band and bolt no markings on the receiver itself.

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I had a '41 Long Branch with similar markings a few years back. Digging around about the markings back then pointed to the AL being an Indian state, versus national, force marking.
 
I do not have a copy but I have read through it. It covers pretty much all markings that have ever been put on a Lee Enfield

https://www.amazon.ca/British-Enfie...=1492610113&sr=8-10&keywords=lee+enfield+book

I can also tell you that the number on the bottom of the front band says CE1968 means that is was once sporterized then someone bought parts to make it full wood. The part obviously being made in 1968. I restored mine to full wood and I have the same mark except mine is CE1962

Like others have already said look at the side of the receiver. It may be very hard to see so try and get a weird light angle. My marks can only be seen in the right light. Look for something that looks like:
(F)
(POF)
(FTR)
No4MK1*
12/43
a different serial number stamped. Mine has a original serial number and a different FTR serial number
 
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RangeRover said:
I had a '41 Long Branch with similar markings a few years back. Digging around about the markings back then pointed to the AL being an Indian state, versus national, force marking.
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Perhaps this true and I am not beyond being convinced, but I am skeptical. I would still contend that it is an early BSA given the information.
Does the rifle have an Ishapore screw through the forestock?
 
No Ishapore screw on the stock but here is a full photo of the rifle, I highly doubly this is a Indian product especially since one of the markings seem to clearly represent a crown if that means anything.

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the parts are original but the reason the metal is so black is this rifle is "refinished" so whatever the guy recoated them in is why is so black, whatever it is seems to be extremely durable
 
Emshey said:
No Ishapore screw on the stock but here is a full photo of the rifle, I highly doubly this is a Indian product especially since one of the markings seem to clearly represent a crown if that means anything.
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Many Indian rifles would still have crowns, however, I would be surprised if your rifle was ever in Indian service given the absence of the screw and lack of other markings. Coincidently, tooling from the BSA Shirley factory was eventually sent to Pakistan.
 
Ah I see! Thanks for the info! I got a pretty decent price on this rifle and it shoots quite accurate regardless of where it may have made its travels from it is one amazing rifle.
 
That being said, most anything is possible with these old rifles. The only certainty is that it has a story or two. The wood and possibly other parts were replaced at some point and, as you said, the metal was "redone" as well. If it is an early Shirley, then it would likely would have been through the wringer anyway. As long as you like it, then all is well. Enjoy your new purchase!
 
Emshey said:
The stock has not been sanded it is a light birch wood
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Though I agree the wood is ether Birch or beech it has definitely been sanded. The wood around the tie strap at the back of the forearm should be proud of the strap and the strap should not be shiny in any area. The wood of the butt should be proud of the socket as well.
 
Oh haha didn't even notice, i don't buy guns for beauty I shoot them if they shoot good that is what is important to me some sanding on the stock big whoop more interested in the actual where abouts the rifle was possibly made that is all.
 
Emshey said:
Oh haha didn't even notice, i don't buy guns for beauty I shoot them if they shoot good that is what is important to me some sanding on the stock big whoop more interested in the actual where abouts the rifle was possibly made that is all.
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And that's awesome. Having a nice looking rifle you can use without fear of marking it up is great. Sorry I can help with when or who made it.
 
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