Great looking M44 in that wartime stock.
Let's see your Soviet Mosins (a picture thread)
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Great looking M44 in that wartime stock.
I just acquired a nice M1941 wartime ammo pouch made of Kirza (the leather and canvas varieties are more common for wartime pouches) and figured I'd post pics of the 4 types of mosin pouches I now have 
I'll likely acquire more, but apart from the M1941 pouch, the rest are the types most collectors will encounter in Canada.
Starting in the upper left and going around clockwise:
1) 1979 dated double-pocket pouch. riveted construction with sewn corner re-inforcements and a harness loop on the back. For some reason the rivets are painted silver.
2) 1960 dated double-pocket pouch. riveted construction throughout, no harness loop.
3) 1960 dated single-pocket pouch with single divider.
4) Un-dated M1941 wartime kirza ammo pouch. all sewn construction.
I'll likely buy more variants overtime, I tend to buy stuff like this when not too expensive. I also collect oil bottles, cleaning tool varieties, etc. Thought you might like to see these, now that current mosin imports don't come with slings or pouches any longer (just oil bottles, bayonets and the cleaning kit contents without a tool pouch).
I'll likely acquire more, but apart from the M1941 pouch, the rest are the types most collectors will encounter in Canada.Starting in the upper left and going around clockwise:
1) 1979 dated double-pocket pouch. riveted construction with sewn corner re-inforcements and a harness loop on the back. For some reason the rivets are painted silver.
2) 1960 dated double-pocket pouch. riveted construction throughout, no harness loop.
3) 1960 dated single-pocket pouch with single divider.
4) Un-dated M1941 wartime kirza ammo pouch. all sewn construction.
I'll likely buy more variants overtime, I tend to buy stuff like this when not too expensive. I also collect oil bottles, cleaning tool varieties, etc. Thought you might like to see these, now that current mosin imports don't come with slings or pouches any longer (just oil bottles, bayonets and the cleaning kit contents without a tool pouch).
Claven2, is there a "proper" storage position for the Mosin bolt?
I leave all mine in "half cocked" position as seem in my above photos as I thought I read somewhere a while ago that way was correct. It also prevents "bolt rash" on neighbouring stocks while in the safe. Thanks.
I leave all mine in "half cocked" position as seem in my above photos as I thought I read somewhere a while ago that way was correct. It also prevents "bolt rash" on neighbouring stocks while in the safe. Thanks.
These are just the Tula produced ones but it the only pic I have of any groups. 1931- 1944 with a few oddballs thrown in for good measure. Missing 1930 & 1935.
Most see an impressive collection, I see improper storage of a handgun. Just sayin'.
Eaglelord17
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Depending on the construction of the room maybe not. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions when you don't even know where it is, not to mention if that is actually where it is stored or not. But I would like to thank you for the distraction from this otherwise excellent thread.
C'mon, really? I see a guy laying out his collection for a photo. He probably put it back in the safe right after taking the photo.
Snagged another Mosin Friday. This one came from P&S Militaria and is a nice representative late 1943 example. Nice wartime stock that has not been modified to add the finger scallops behind the rear band. Gun has all mid-war expedient features with two exceptions: It has a milled front sight (probably replaced at refurb, it likely originally had a fabricated one), and the rear right shelf is milled, so the receiver was likely made just as izhevsk was re-instituting some of the manufacturing steps eliminated in mid-1941.
Looks to have been refururbished at 5th GRAU in Alatyr.
Early features include:
- rough forger trigger, crudely ground trigger bow
- simplified rear sight serrations and mid-war simplified rear sight with simple notch and no relief cut on bottom
- High wall receiver, but with rear shelf milled.
- no sling slot escutcheon in back, simplified liner in front.
- light gauge stamped buttplate.
- stamped and welded magazine assembly/trigger guard.
- roughly machined wartime bolt parts throughout.
Overall, not a bad example of a '43 Izhevsk. I basically bought it for the above-average condition wartime expedient stock.
I also picked up another type of Wartime M1941 ammunition pouch, this time a canvas variant with pigskin fittings. Shown with my mid-war Kirza M1941 pouch. Now I just need to get a letter M1941 and I'll have all the representative types
Looks to have been refururbished at 5th GRAU in Alatyr.
Early features include:
- rough forger trigger, crudely ground trigger bow
- simplified rear sight serrations and mid-war simplified rear sight with simple notch and no relief cut on bottom
- High wall receiver, but with rear shelf milled.
- no sling slot escutcheon in back, simplified liner in front.
- light gauge stamped buttplate.
- stamped and welded magazine assembly/trigger guard.
- roughly machined wartime bolt parts throughout.
Overall, not a bad example of a '43 Izhevsk. I basically bought it for the above-average condition wartime expedient stock.
I also picked up another type of Wartime M1941 ammunition pouch, this time a canvas variant with pigskin fittings. Shown with my mid-war Kirza M1941 pouch. Now I just need to get a letter M1941 and I'll have all the representative types
Awesome 1944 Tula Sniper, Catapult!
I have one from 1944 as well, she still sports most of the original parts except the scope, which is 1944 Yoshkar Ola production.
Looks like many examples did escape some stages of refurbisment...
I have one from 1944 as well, she still sports most of the original parts except the scope, which is 1944 Yoshkar Ola production.
Looks like many examples did escape some stages of refurbisment...
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So I completed an interesting accessory set today. A little history first.
On May 9, 1945, the war ended between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Third Reich. At that time, what was to become East Germany was largely occupied by Soviet troops.
At the Yalta Conference during World War II, the Allies chopped up Germany into what would become occupation zones after victory.
From 1949 to 1990, the Soviet Occupation zone became East Germany, which was occupied by Soviet forces from 1945 to 1991 and Russian Federation forces from 1991 to 1994. East Germany was effectively a satellite state of the Soviet Union.
At the Yalta Conference, it was also decided the defeated German territories would be on the hook for war reparations to allied nations. Unlike after WW1, no reparations were to be paid in money. Instead, reparations would be made up of German industrial assets and forced labour. Recipient countries included Greece, Israel, The Netherlands, Poland, Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union.
So why is all this important for the Mosin collector? Well, one of the reparations activities imposted on East Germany was the manufacture and supply of Mosin Nagant accoutrements to the USSR to make up for materiel lost during the war.
I've put together a representative batch of these items, including an ammunition pouch, a screwdriver tool and a sling. When found, these items are generally dated 1950 and it's thought the fledgling DDR was able to meet much of the USSR's accoutrement demands that year.
There are a few makers out there, and these are representative. The ammo pouches are pretty common, but the screwdrivers, which contained no firing pin protrusion notches, and the leather slings with brass fittings are considerably harder to acquire.
Screwdriver made by Stern & Eckstein in Schwarzenberg.
Sling made by Ulin Breitschuh in Eisleben.
Ammunition Pouch made by Lederwaren Zeitz in 1950.
As an observation, the leather goods are generally better made than anything the Soviets made for themselves. Even in captivity, the German people put pride of craftsmanship into the materials they produced, it seems.
On May 9, 1945, the war ended between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Third Reich. At that time, what was to become East Germany was largely occupied by Soviet troops.
At the Yalta Conference during World War II, the Allies chopped up Germany into what would become occupation zones after victory.
From 1949 to 1990, the Soviet Occupation zone became East Germany, which was occupied by Soviet forces from 1945 to 1991 and Russian Federation forces from 1991 to 1994. East Germany was effectively a satellite state of the Soviet Union.
At the Yalta Conference, it was also decided the defeated German territories would be on the hook for war reparations to allied nations. Unlike after WW1, no reparations were to be paid in money. Instead, reparations would be made up of German industrial assets and forced labour. Recipient countries included Greece, Israel, The Netherlands, Poland, Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union.
So why is all this important for the Mosin collector? Well, one of the reparations activities imposted on East Germany was the manufacture and supply of Mosin Nagant accoutrements to the USSR to make up for materiel lost during the war.
I've put together a representative batch of these items, including an ammunition pouch, a screwdriver tool and a sling. When found, these items are generally dated 1950 and it's thought the fledgling DDR was able to meet much of the USSR's accoutrement demands that year.
There are a few makers out there, and these are representative. The ammo pouches are pretty common, but the screwdrivers, which contained no firing pin protrusion notches, and the leather slings with brass fittings are considerably harder to acquire.
Screwdriver made by Stern & Eckstein in Schwarzenberg.
Sling made by Ulin Breitschuh in Eisleben.
Ammunition Pouch made by Lederwaren Zeitz in 1950.
As an observation, the leather goods are generally better made than anything the Soviets made for themselves. Even in captivity, the German people put pride of craftsmanship into the materials they produced, it seems.
Eaglelord17
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- Sault Ste. Marie
Looks Finned to me based on the wire sling hangers and the ground Tsarist crest.
PinkyPlinker
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