Modern Varmint What IF?

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7.62x39 Shooter said:
Is it possible just to sell the upper n lower as a non-res combo set
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PinaKaleada said:
^No, there's no Non-restricted AR-15 that's affordable. The closest thing so far is XCR and ACR and they're not close. And there's the original MV that's $4k lol
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Today, online MV is $3350, xcr-l $2805, and acr (non-restricted $3399). I'll be happy to buy a MV and deliver to you for $4K. Let's try to keep a little reality in the discussion. Btw, none of these rifles are AR's despite any cosmetic similarities.

No, there is no non-restricted AR and there never will be without a huge change in public attitudes as well as government. And, if someone does sell a pile of non restricted black rifles there is always the chance the CFC or the liberals will find a way to restrict them by reclassification or legislation. Rick, I hope you got the info you needed because there is a lot of magical thinking in these answers and a lot of off-topic discussion.

I had an xcr and liked it, but I like my MV better. If you could get the price down to compete with the xcr/acr I think you'd sell quite a few. What is hard to know is how big this market is, how many would have bought the more expensive model, and the effect on your brand. In the $2500-3000 range I think the risks are few and the upsides are there. The trick is to price it to differentiate from the captured buffer/match barrel version while not devaluing your brand. I understand and wholeheartedly agree with your decision to limit options and only sell function tested rifles with furniture. Depending on price and if you decide to offer complete uppers, I may be even get one to run a red dot on and plink with.

Regardless, I'm down for the Grendel if it works out. Hope ATRS continues to do well and that you have more patience than I do.
 
onetwentyish said:
Yes. Options at additional cost. Thing is almost every idiot that buys one wants to make themselves sound like a big wheel so they always exaggerate the cost of the base rifle to include the $2000 plus dollars worth of options that they added.
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i just went with the base model with no fancy options a payment plan to spread payments out would have made it easier
 
I'd be in on that. I love the one you guys built for one of my buddy's but I just can't drop that much on a rifle to get the non restricted advantage. Cheaper and I'm in.
 
After reading through the posts I think you have a market for this but not a large one so mabe you could do a limited run that comes with somthing you only get with that run like special serial number or somthing like that. I think they will all be sold which leaves you to do more special runs in the future. That way your brand stays true and you are just trying to reach out to the other gunnuts out there which we all would apriciate. Thank you for trying to bring somthing new to the masses.
 
carverk said:
i just went with the base model with no fancy options a payment plan to spread payments out would have made it easier
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If you need to or would finance a rifle I'd say you shouldn't be buying one of these. Financing toys is never a good idea and although society has brainwashed most of us into thinking debt is just fine it's a very poor practice if you ever want to get ahead in life. It would be like financing a Ferrari, sure we all want one but no one needs one. There are much cheaper options out there that will do the same job.


7.62x39 Shooter said:
Is it possible just to sell the upper n lower as a non-res combo set
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What would be the point? You would still HAVE to buy a Timney trigger and you would still HAVE to buy a barrel from ATRS or have an AR barrel modified to work then work out the tuning of the rifle yourself to make it reliable with no warranty since you've now customized their product.


For all of you too lazy to read through all the posts ATRS has already stated there would only be two changes made which would drop the price around $500. No other changes would be available unless you were to buy a rifle and modify it yourself voiding all support and warranty.
alberta tactical rifle said:
we are asking if dropping the match grade barrel to a milspec type barrel and captured buffer to a conventional buffer and spring that would result in a price drop of our Modern varmint rifles by $500.00 to $600.00.
These 2 changes would be the only changes we undertook.
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Personally I can't see how $500 would make enough of a difference to have someone who's on the fence about one decide to buy one considering what you give up for a mere $500.
My opinion is that the MV remains a high end sought after rifle and don't muddy the product with an econo version. Maybe once you get to a point where there is no backlog of orders and you have rifles sitting on the shelf look into it again but if people can't afford one there are already cheaper options on the market or they can save their allowance a little longer to step up to the high end stuff.
 
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Cr5 i already have a MV i did have MH IS 6.5 CM loved the rifle but not for hunting as it was to heavy for my liking
 
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cr5 said:
If you need to or would finance a rifle I'd say you shouldn't be buying one of these. Financing toys is never a good idea and although society has brainwashed most of us into thinking debt is just fine it's a very poor practice if you ever want to get ahead in life. It would be like financing a Ferrari, sure we all want one but no one needs one. There are much cheaper options out there that will do the same job.
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Thanks Mom, and yes I did pay cash for my Ferrari.

RF
 
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Red Flyer said:
Thanks Mom, and yes I did pay cash for my Ferrari.

RF
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You're the one that brought up payments for a toy.
People that can actually afford a Ferrari would pay cash.

carverk said:
a layaway pan would help the working guy get into a MV/MH
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Luckily people have 4-6 months to pay it off while their rifle is being built.
Half down and the balance prior to pickup/delivery sounds like a layaway plan to me.

Whatever happened to saving up for a big ticket item and having that feeling of accomplishment when you've worked hard to earn the money for the thing you want. Society is all about instant gratification these days, just finance whatever you want and worry about it later. No wonder most people can't retire before 60 these days, spend 50% more for everything once you factor in the interest payments.
 
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cr5 said:
You're the one that brought up payments for a toy.
People that can actually afford a Ferrari would pay cash.



Luckily people have 4-6 months to pay it off while their rifle is being built.
Half down and the balance prior to pickup/delivery sounds like a layaway plan to me.

Whatever happened to saving up for a big ticket item and having that feeling of accomplishment when you've worked hard to earn the money for the thing you want. Society is all about instant gratification these days, just finance whatever you want and worry about it later. No wonder most people can't retire before 60 these days, spend 50% more for everything once you factor in the interest payments.
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Your mixing up financing with a layaway plan
Layaway plan is working towards a purchase and not Credit and a good option fore sum guys rather then buying a lower Quality rifle
I keep my expenses low so I can afford a MV and plan a couple of big hunts this year
I own my house so no mortgage never went to a bank my truck is old but it's my truck and not the bank same with the 30 foot boat I have at the dock all payed fore by hard work non of it happened over night
 
I've been saying this for a while Sir. I respect what you guys did with the MV and MH rifles and I fully understand the market constraints you guys face as a company fielding a new rifle in this sad country.
I think you would find yourself selling more of these "lower grade" rifles than any of the standard varminters.
I cannot justify the cost for a MV regardless of the high quality, precision and taking into account the Canadian market and risks you took etc
I can easily afford it. I just can't justify it if that makes sense. Not for a hobby. My true financial priorities are investing my saved dollars for my family and my kids futures bar none.

I imagine there are many others in near the same boat who would give anything to own one but simply cannot afford it or (like me) cannot justify the cost for a hobby placing it just out of reach.
Not everyone who enjoys firearms is a lawyer, oil worker, spoiled rich inheritance case etc Actually I would bet the opposite is true in Canada. Us blue collar middle class types make up the majority of gun owners in Canada.
 
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To be honest if you really want to capture the market you need to make it a lot cheaper.

You guy are Lamborghini but you want to sell like Toyotas

Remember Porsche Boxter?
 
chicu1981 said:
To be honest if you really want to capture the market you need to make it a lot cheaper.

You guy are Lamborghini but you want to sell like Toyotas

Remember Porsche Boxter?
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OR if you really want to sell alot more, Open a new Subsidiary, totally different brand. Then Stack 'em high, sell 'em cheap
 
carverk said:
Your mixing up financing with a layaway plan
Layaway plan is working towards a purchase and not Credit and a good option fore sum guys rather then buying a lower Quality rifle
I keep my expenses low so I can afford a MV and plan a couple of big hunts this year
I own my house so no mortgage never went to a bank my truck is old but it's my truck and not the bank same with the 30 foot boat I have at the dock all payed fore by hard work non of it happened over night
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You sound like you are very financially responsible to be in that situation, much like me I don't waste money on a new truck just because i can afford the payments. What you described could be a savings account where someone saves up for what they want rather than relying on the retailer to help a person afford their product.
 
I would certainly buy a Lower / upper combo and assemble one myself from parts, acquired by me, keep this under $800 and ill buy a set today.
 
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