U.S. Springfield .69 cal. Flintlock Musket, Model 1816- dated 1827.

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This is a recent addition to my collection.
I am still trying to identify the inspector's initials on the stock cartouches.



1827 lock date.



Ohio stock marking.





Full view of the lock.



Barrel 'V' and 'P' proof marks with 1827 date on the tang.



The various other markings;











 
-I have no intention of shooting this musket.

She will hang on the wall with the others.



-I have no idea when any cleaning (re-struck bright of a Type II musket) was done on this musket---so many of these M1816 flintlock muskets were converted to percussion ---- many of the converted percussion guns were reconverted back to flintlock for the collecting community. (I was not interested in that.)

I suppose that I will be looking for a correct M1816 bayonet at some point.

I did not know much about these M1816 flintlocks so I have really been doing my homework to get myself up to speed.

I am a Civil War collector and from what I understand both the North and the South had M1816 flintlock muskets in their inventories in the early years of the war before many of the later manufactured guns were converted to percussion and used during the war.

From what I understand it is easier to find a M1816 that had been converted to percussion that one that remains in its 'original flintlock' configuration.

My books.





 
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If yours were a re-conversion, I think there would be evidence of either a touch hole liner, or the hole having been welded up and re-drilled. Hard to tell in photos without seeing it in person.

I believe the hammer, topjaw, topjaw screw screw, and one of your side nails are replacement parts. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's re-converted. It may just have been repaired at some point.

It's definitely been cleaned though, I can see the micro-pitting from where it used to be browned. A lot of re-enactors did that in the 70's 80's - a shame, as I'd rather have one with the correct patina for its age.
 
I sent photos to Bill Adams in CT---he provided me with all kinds of info on various re-converting signs --in the end he gave it his blessing.

I have dealt with Bill before regarding my possible CS P53 Enfield rifle musket----Google him and see what you find.

One of his comments;

It's tough to point out what to look for on a good reconversion. Amateur reconversions are easy to detect. Most of the M1816's were converted via the cone in barrel system, usually called a Belgian conversion. Those are the prime candidates for conversion back to flintlock as they seldom are as costly as bolster conversions.

Assuming that the conversion to percussion was by the cone in barrel method, the reconversion is accomplished by removing the nipple and peening down the raised/displaced nipple seat metal. The remaining hole is then welded in with soft iron. Many hacker gunsmiths use regular steel welding rod and occasionally someone actually uses stainless steel rod to fill the hole. After the welding, the metal is dress down to the proper curve and the barrel is then either polished or artificially patinated to blend in the repair. As the polished barrel ages, any welding done with steel rod or stainless steel shows up as a round or oval spot that is too bright. A real craftsman who uses soft iron rod can blend the finish so the weld cannot be detected.

Some persons merely thread a screw of the proper thread size into the nipple hole, then file everything down and tap the edges of the screw down, then finish the filing and stone the surface. Those reconversions can be spotted easily unless the hacker artificially pits the repair area.

When the arms were originally converted to percussion, it was common to mark each component piece with an alpha-numeric code like A3, B24, etc. Less often, just a letter or number was used. The bayonets were also numbered to mate the musket. The small bayonet lug on the top of the barrel was also numbered.

It's very difficult to find original flintlock cocks, frizzens, and frizzen springs. The reproduction parts are castings and the surfaces are seldom as smooth as original parts. The frizzen springs will look newer than the lock plate and the frizzen spring mounting screw and the hammer/#### screw will have slots that are too wide. Flintlock era screwdriver blades were much thinner than modern screwdriver blades. Reproduction screws are usually made with larger slots.

Make sure that the pan fits tightly against the barrel and that the flash hole is slightly above the bottom of the pan. Look at the pan carefully - it should not look new or have any obviously file marks.

Look down the barrel - sometimes there will be traces of rifling; remember, the rifling was progressive depth and was very shallow at the muzzle. Some reconversions were done on 1816's that were rifled when they were converted to percussion.

Those are only the basics.

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I forgot to mention that many flintlock muskets were converted on the "drum" system. The reconversion is often done by simply cutting off the percussion drum. Sometimes a circle can be seen around the flash hole, but it doesn't take much to hide that. A gunsmith friend has done many reconversions for collectors and cautions them against passing the pieces off as original. He does work for museums and wealthy collectors.

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Bill's conclusion;

The musket doesn't have the usual conversion stampings and looks to be a nice piece. It looks like a good acquisition if you can trade into it.
 
I sent photos to Bill Adams in CT---he provided me with all kinds of info on various re-converting signs --in the end he gave it his blessing.

I have dealt with Bill before regarding my possible CS P53 Enfield rifle musket----Google him and see what you find.

One of his comments;

It's tough to point out what to look for on a good reconversion. Amateur reconversions are easy to detect. Most of the M1816's were converted via the cone in barrel system, usually called a Belgian conversion. Those are the prime candidates for conversion back to flintlock as they seldom are as costly as bolster conversions.

Assuming that the conversion to percussion was by the cone in barrel method, the reconversion is accomplished by removing the nipple and peening down the raised/displaced nipple seat metal. The remaining hole is then welded in with soft iron. Many hacker gunsmiths use regular steel welding rod and occasionally someone actually uses stainless steel rod to fill the hole. After the welding, the metal is dress down to the proper curve and the barrel is then either polished or artificially patinated to blend in the repair. As the polished barrel ages, any welding done with steel rod or stainless steel shows up as a round or oval spot that is too bright. A real craftsman who uses soft iron rod can blend the finish so the weld cannot be detected.

Some persons merely thread a screw of the proper thread size into the nipple hole, then file everything down and tap the edges of the screw down, then finish the filing and stone the surface. Those reconversions can be spotted easily unless the hacker artificially pits the repair area.

When the arms were originally converted to percussion, it was common to mark each component piece with an alpha-numeric code like A3, B24, etc. Less often, just a letter or number was used. The bayonets were also numbered to mate the musket. The small bayonet lug on the top of the barrel was also numbered.

It's very difficult to find original flintlock cocks, frizzens, and frizzen springs. The reproduction parts are castings and the surfaces are seldom as smooth as original parts. The frizzen springs will look newer than the lock plate and the frizzen spring mounting screw and the hammer/#### screw will have slots that are too wide. Flintlock era screwdriver blades were much thinner than modern screwdriver blades. Reproduction screws are usually made with larger slots.

Make sure that the pan fits tightly against the barrel and that the flash hole is slightly above the bottom of the pan. Look at the pan carefully - it should not look new or have any obviously file marks.

Look down the barrel - sometimes there will be traces of rifling; remember, the rifling was progressive depth and was very shallow at the muzzle. Some reconversions were done on 1816's that were rifled when they were converted to percussion.

Those are only the basics.

----------------------------------------------

I forgot to mention that many flintlock muskets were converted on the "drum" system. The reconversion is often done by simply cutting off the percussion drum. Sometimes a circle can be seen around the flash hole, but it doesn't take much to hide that. A gunsmith friend has done many reconversions for collectors and cautions them against passing the pieces off as original. He does work for museums and wealthy collectors.

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Bill's conclusion;

The musket doesn't have the usual conversion stampings and looks to be a nice piece. It looks like a good acquisition if you can trade into it.

Thanks for passing on the good knowledge.
 
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