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Shotgun dillema....need opinions
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3 gun shooting and fun.
Would work well for turkey or deer hunting, too. I haven't tried one on clays yet as I don't shoot clays much anymore, but I'm sure it would be fun, especially using a sight like the Eotech or similar. I might take one bear hunting this spring, using Challenger slugs. I've used foster style and Brenneke slugs on game, but not the Challengers yet, and they look pretty good. Easy to make 100 yard kill zone hits with a slug with one of these shotguns, too.
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For my two cents ; I would keep the 870 for skeet/trap and goose hunting ; and buy a good used Axis or 783 for deer hunting .
A few people at our club tried skeet with various holographic sights, and the result was failure after failure.
There are also many success stories. Plenty of them just a google search away, like thst video I posted. Like everything else, you must use it properly, the fundamentals remain the same it's just a dot replaces a bead.
If an AR style shotgun with an Eotech was ideal for clays, I'm sure we would see top shooters using them, but they are not. Doesn't mean a person can't use one with enough success to make it fun though.
It can be done with some degree of success. I mounted a Bushnell Holosite on my Beretta and had some success on skeet crossers or otherwise predictable targets. Less success with trap or sporting clays. IIRC, optical sights are however banned for competition.
Using the site was counterproductive because instead of focusing on the target you would look at both the target and dot because they were in the same field of vision. Made shooting seem more like a video game.
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In this video though, every bird I saw was in the same area, that being going straight away from the shooter. There was no fast cross swinging on the bird from right or left or follow through which I suspect would have yielded different results.
And the most successful clays shooters are focusing on the target, not on a bead or a dot.
There's a reason the Marines went with a traditional tube for their tac shotgun. The geometry of shotshells mean that reliability is always going to be an issue in a mag fed platform. The mag fed guns tend to be heavy, swing poorly, and feed unreliably (especially when they get dirty). I've shot the Derya a couple time and it ran ok, but in no way would I trust it to be my go to do everything firearm. Buy an M2, or keep the 870 and a get a spare barrel. If you really want a derya keep your expectations low and leave the it at the gravel pit.
As an aside, I'm a very average shot and I've been able to shoot 3-4 inch groups at 200m with sabot slugs in a rifled cantilever 870. It's definitely a viable close range hunting platform for big game.
As an aside, I'm a very average shot and I've been able to shoot 3-4 inch groups at 200m with sabot slugs in a rifled cantilever 870. It's definitely a viable close range hunting platform for big game.
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Lots of "red dot" sights (like the Eotech) have a dot in the middle and a ring around it. The ring works well for using shot. Some that are designed just for shot are only a ring, like this one.
And the only people using them are either paid to use them, or simply don't know any better.
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Some ridicule.. &$% that. What is this high school?
It's not ideal at all as many have already said. However, a small red dot on the forward part of the receiver and some practice and you'll be hitting virtually every trap clay thrown. You will likely be the only one with something like this at a trap range, but if your ok with that, have at 'er. I've gone for a fun day and used my MKA 1919 at a trap club and hit virtually every clay all day. I could care less if people were talking about me in the clubhouse. I found that the "nice" people who are not A$$holes and bullies (I don't want their friendship anyway) came over to say hi and to see what I was using. I even had a few people ask to try it as they had never seen one before.
It's like a car.. some are better than other's for a particular task, but most will get the job done. I've loaded up and gone surfing with an 8ft board sticking out of a smart car window.. not ideal.. but a hell of a lot of fun.. and got some smiles on the beach.
Anyways, my point is.. try it out, have some fun.. if the club allows it, great! If not, find another club.
It's not ideal at all as many have already said. However, a small red dot on the forward part of the receiver and some practice and you'll be hitting virtually every trap clay thrown. You will likely be the only one with something like this at a trap range, but if your ok with that, have at 'er. I've gone for a fun day and used my MKA 1919 at a trap club and hit virtually every clay all day. I could care less if people were talking about me in the clubhouse. I found that the "nice" people who are not A$$holes and bullies (I don't want their friendship anyway) came over to say hi and to see what I was using. I even had a few people ask to try it as they had never seen one before.
It's like a car.. some are better than other's for a particular task, but most will get the job done. I've loaded up and gone surfing with an 8ft board sticking out of a smart car window.. not ideal.. but a hell of a lot of fun.. and got some smiles on the beach.
Anyways, my point is.. try it out, have some fun.. if the club allows it, great! If not, find another club.
If you're going to shoot clay targets in a field with a hand thrower use whatever you want however if you plan to visit a club you'd best stick with your 870.
Clubs may not permit "combat style" shotguns or have barrel length requirements (usually 26") and the Derya would fail on both counts. Even if the clubs allow it you may be the subject of some ridicule.
Hard to argue the reliability of a good pump gun, but with the 2 Derya and 1 MKA 1919 mag fed shotguns I've used, they are pretty darn reliable. Mag fed shotguns aren't anything really new, there are even full auto ones that run perfectly. When my buddy and I first recieved our Deryas we ran 400 rounds of all sorts of different ammo through them with only a few minor failures, and those were with super cheap target loads from the 1980's,that came in brown boxes of 20 rounds.My MKA 1919 has had about 1000 rounds through it so far. Might be time to clean it, but it runs fine.
Yeah..."ridicule"
Oh BOO HOO!! You don't like my gun becuase it's not traditonal? poor you. People that resort to ridiculing another gun owner who just wants to have some fun shooting at clays with whatever shotgun they want to try are pretty pitiful.
Lets keep it civil guys. We can all enjoy our hobby and have fun without crapping on each other. It adds nothing and doesn't help anybody.
With that being said, the overwhelming consensus seems to be that I should keep the 870 as it would obviously be the better suited moving target gun if i really wanted to have the best chance at hitting a moving target. As far as stationary targets, both the MK12 or the 870 would do the job with the 870 having the advantage of an optional rifled barrel for slugs. My 22 target pistol is not ideally suited to hitting a 10 inch gong at 100 yards...but it will do it and it is fun to try.
I was in Cabelas today and they had rifled barrels for the 870 for 300$ however they were not compatible with the 3.5 inch Super Mag receivers according to the packaging. Anybody here using a rifled barrel with a Super Mag 3.5" receiver? I will probably just pick up a cheap used 308 for deer anyways.
While I am relatively new to the shooting hobby, I have been involved in the R/C aircraft hobby for about 20 years. Some guys show up at the field with models that they scratch built for 20$ in their basement and some guys will show up at the field with an 8000$ turbine powered jet..and everything in between. Both fly...both are fun...both have the right to be there and if the guy with the more expensive/better suited model looks down upon the guy with the different model..well I am not a fan of that. I would not want to be associated with club members/club who have an air is superiority simply based upon their experience or the type of gear they are using. Same goes for trap/skeet.
I still would like to try an MK12/1919/F12 despite all the haters. I will keep my 870 though and wait to see some more first hand reports from my fellow cgn'ers. Thanks so far for the input and keep it coming as I am sure alot of us are looking at the the MK12 or a similar AR style shotty.
With that being said, the overwhelming consensus seems to be that I should keep the 870 as it would obviously be the better suited moving target gun if i really wanted to have the best chance at hitting a moving target. As far as stationary targets, both the MK12 or the 870 would do the job with the 870 having the advantage of an optional rifled barrel for slugs. My 22 target pistol is not ideally suited to hitting a 10 inch gong at 100 yards...but it will do it and it is fun to try.
I was in Cabelas today and they had rifled barrels for the 870 for 300$ however they were not compatible with the 3.5 inch Super Mag receivers according to the packaging. Anybody here using a rifled barrel with a Super Mag 3.5" receiver? I will probably just pick up a cheap used 308 for deer anyways.
While I am relatively new to the shooting hobby, I have been involved in the R/C aircraft hobby for about 20 years. Some guys show up at the field with models that they scratch built for 20$ in their basement and some guys will show up at the field with an 8000$ turbine powered jet..and everything in between. Both fly...both are fun...both have the right to be there and if the guy with the more expensive/better suited model looks down upon the guy with the different model..well I am not a fan of that. I would not want to be associated with club members/club who have an air is superiority simply based upon their experience or the type of gear they are using. Same goes for trap/skeet.
I still would like to try an MK12/1919/F12 despite all the haters. I will keep my 870 though and wait to see some more first hand reports from my fellow cgn'ers. Thanks so far for the input and keep it coming as I am sure alot of us are looking at the the MK12 or a similar AR style shotty.
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And of course everyone knows you can't competition trap with an 870, just ask Rudy Etchens
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It's not unique to clay shooting. Show up at an IPSC shoot with a Luger or a 3-gun match with a Krieghoff K80 and you'll be the subject of ridicule from some shooters and your guns may not be allowed.
It doesn't bother me what someone else is using as long as they are shooting safely and within the rules. The OP asked about using the Derya for trap. The honest answer is that his gun might not be allowed by some clubs or he may face snide remarks from other shooters.
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