U.n. Firearms marking regulations

captainamazing said:
well how bout that... a theory that isn't stupid.

Now for my my addition: The military industrial complex wont have their business interfered with. They create problems by selling arms to governments in conflict regions then sell us solutions buy supplying our armed forces. The UN isn't going to stop that age old business strategy. The UN hasn't been able to stop Africans and Arabs from killing each other by the millions for the decades they have been around because the UN is a declawed and neutered house cat trying to govern a den of pissed off lions.
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Unfortunately the "lion" leading this country is just an immature cub who obeys his trainers.
 
Thankfully this rediculous farce is now pushed out another 18 months!!!

What really sickens me besides the utter UN stupidity believing that this marking scheme will somehow aid in deterring the international trade in small arms is the dip####t liberals in Canada that have twisted this whole farce into some sort of local law enforcement scam. Law enforcement in Canada NEVER asked for this in the first place!!!! Only the UN retards could have thought up such stupidity!!! And only the twisted mind of a liberal could have concocted a story that this initiative is to aid Canadian law enforcement!!!!

You can't fix stupid.
 
Firearmsking said:
Sounds like you want these markings... and no it's not just as simple as adding four digits at a factory... doing that breaks the chain of production which requires more work..
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i dont want the markings on used guns, all new guns are already marked, so there is no break in production. and yes it is as easy as adding four digits. year (17) and country (CA). most importers that placed orders for this year had there guns marked at the factory for summer arrival anyways.

the only BS is used and especially collector/surplus guns that need unwanted markings. and i would fight tooth and nail that, YES these will devalue my firearms and should be exempt from the marking scam.
 
Steve_B said:
So we're delaying marking our imports because of... our exports?
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I am guessing that the UN Bill which requires the marking of imported firearms has other sections that may not pertain to marking civilian firearms. It is not just one section of the bill they are delaying. Total conspiracy theory on my part, but why would the Liberals throw gun owners a bone, when they've been giving us the bone since they came to power. How many signatures were on the AR15 reclassification petition? A hell of a lot. So I am supposed to believe that a couple letters and phone calls to a few MP's caused Parliament to delay a firearms marking law, that really creates no political grief for the Liberals, but instead adds cost, and bottlenecks to firearms sales. Sounds like a perfect admistrative way of screwing gun owners, with minimal political backlash. There's got to be more to this delay, that's all I'm saying........
 
oaktree said:
Thankfully this rediculous farce is now pushed out another 18 months!!!

What really sickens me besides the utter UN stupidity believing that this marking scheme will somehow aid in deterring the international trade in small arms is the dip####t liberals in Canada that have twisted this whole farce into some sort of local law enforcement scam. Law enforcement in Canada NEVER asked for this in the first place!!!! Only the UN retards could have thought up such stupidity!!! And only the twisted mind of a liberal could have concocted a story that this initiative is to aid Canadian law enforcement!!!!

You can't fix stupid.
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Well said..
 
#### Proenneke said:
I am guessing that the UN Bill which requires the marking of imported firearms has other sections that may not pertain to marking civilian firearms. It is not just one section of the bill they are delaying. Total conspiracy theory on my part, but why would the Liberals throw gun owners a bone, when they've been giving us the bone since they came to power. How many signatures were on the AR15 reclassification petition? A hell of a lot. So I am supposed to believe that a couple letters and phone calls to a few MP's caused Parliament to delay a firearms marking law, that really creates no political grief for the Liberals, but instead adds cost, and bottlenecks to firearms sales. Sounds like a perfect admistrative way of screwing gun owners, with minimal political backlash. There's got to be more to this delay, that's all I'm saying........
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The small liberal thinkers probably just realized that bringing the massive firearms business in Canada to a screeching halt with an ill planned UN marking scheme might just lose them a few million votes if they do it too soon. Better to wait just before the election and see how they are doing in the rating polls.
 
The UN marking has been put off until Dec 2018, hopefully we can use the next 18 months to find an acceptable solution, rather then forget about it because it will not go away until dealt with.
 
Revv said:
The small liberal thinkers probably just realized that bringing the massive firearms business in Canada to a screeching halt with an ill planned UN marking scheme might just lose them a few million votes if they do it too soon. Better to wait just before the election and see how they are doing in the rating polls.
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Indeed. The Libs care about votes and power...and losing them...more than anything else.
I think the LGR debacle, and all the fallout from it, is still very much on their minds.
After all, it's not like they don't like the idea of another registry. They're just not pushing it b/c they fear it could cost them. Perhaps (probably?) that's part of what's going on here.
All the more reason to keep speaking up and speaking out.
 
So far the Liberals bark has been worse than their bite, when it comes to gun controlling. Actually there hasn't ben much barking either.
 
trebor2880 said:
So far the Liberals bark has been worse than their bite, when it comes to gun controlling. Actually there hasn't ben much barking either.
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True, but I think the lack of barking is b/c they're being much more stealthy about pushing their anti-firearms and anti-firearms-community agenda.
 
Their going to let the RCMP do the barking and biting for them by handing over the power and blame. 10/22 mags, CZ 858 Sparta. 2 that just come to mind
trebor2880 said:
So far the Liberals bark has been worse than their bite, when it comes to gun controlling. Actually there hasn't ben much barking either.
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Sinbad said:
Their going to let the RCMP do the barking and biting for them by handing over the power and blame. 10/22 mags, CZ 858 Sparta. 2 that just come to mind
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The ol' divide and conquer routine. When it comes to the 10/22 mags., the last thing I want is a over-cap mag stickin' outta my gun.
But I'll still fight the fight for those wanting a fun toy. As long as they'll support the folks wanting to make handgun hunting and CCW a reality.
As for the 858, mine never sees the light of day. The novelty wore off.
 
#### Proenneke said:
I am guessing that the UN Bill which requires the marking of imported firearms has other sections that may not pertain to marking civilian firearms. It is not just one section of the bill they are delaying. Total conspiracy theory on my part, but why would the Liberals throw gun owners a bone, when they've been giving us the bone since they came to power. How many signatures were on the AR15 reclassification petition? A hell of a lot. So I am supposed to believe that a couple letters and phone calls to a few MP's caused Parliament to delay a firearms marking law, that really creates no political grief for the Liberals, but instead adds cost, and bottlenecks to firearms sales. Sounds like a perfect admistrative way of screwing gun owners, with minimal political backlash. There's got to be more to this delay, that's all I'm saying........
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Well, the bill requires all Canadian manufacturers to mark their firearms with either CANADA or CA, so it would impact Colt Canada if we're selling C7s to the Finns or something, for example. But I think with that much money and no pressing deadlines to make rent money, this wouldn't be a deal breaker for any Defence Contractor. So I just don't see the export end of things making this a deal breaker....

But I totally agree with you that it's not quite plausible that any grass roots activism on our part caused this change of heart.

Personally, I think the CBSA and RCMP said implementing this going to be chaos, and that might light a fire under HM's Loyal Opposition to make it sound enough like Gun Registry 2.0 that Joe Average from anyplace but Toronto might wonder if you're pissing away tax dollars again... so let's put this off while the Firearms Advisory Committee does something that makes a big report and a press conference... and then we really screw the law abiding gun owners.
 
trebor2880 said:
So far the Liberals bark has been worse than their bite, when it comes to gun controlling. Actually there hasn't ben much barking either.
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Mark Holland is the secretary to the public safety minister. I.E. Second in Command. One way or another, there is something bad coming our way. Believe it.

If you think he has stopped thinking about how to best screw gun owners, you're optimistic/naive beyond reality.
 
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bcbravo2zero said:
True, but I think the lack of barking is b/c they're being much more stealthy about pushing their anti-firearms and anti-firearms-community agenda.
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Give them credit because they may have realized this is a time consuming endeavour which has zero benefits.
 
CosmiC10R said:
Where did you hear that. I haven't read or heard anything of the sort?
IrG was going to do it themselves and i haven't heard of any manufacturer marking their firearms for import to Canada??
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IRG doesnt place orders at the factory, they buy from other dealers and distributors. so they have no say in markings. anyone that placed orders with factories to have guns built has had them marked.
 
P0WERWAGON said:
IRG doesnt place orders at the factory, they buy from other dealers and distributors. so they have no say in markings. anyone that placed orders with factories to have guns built has had them marked.
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As it was written manufactures could not mark their guns as they had to be marked after importation! This whole thing was a dogs dinner as the logistics had not been thought through. There is so much misinformation and conflicting comments it is really unbelievable! At least now we have 18 months to get it sorted out, as in 18 months time we are back in the same position, this has not been defeated!
 
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