Quality of Turkish made shotguns?
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I don't think there's anything wrong with the quality of most Turkish shotguns - or Turkish firearms for that matter. The Girsan stuff, for example, is made in a factory set up by HK with German machines and HK staff training the workers. The issue with Turkish products is that you're buying product from a country who's leader is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and has said things like this; "If Europe continues this way, no European in any part of the world can walk safely on the streets." I'm not sure I want to contribute to the economy of a country that wants to be the enemy of the west. This is Turkey, this is what they do:
http://pamelageller.com/2017/03/muslims-riot-holland.html/
http://pamelageller.com/2017/03/muslims-riot-holland.html/
So you don't like a countries product because of their crooked Presidents political stance who effectively bought electoral votes, and you are under the impression that the private manufacturing companies within that country who oppose said President don't deserve to be supported as a result?
I got one of the lever 12's, and had a similar problem. I contacted Martin from Corwin Arms about it. He told me you have to really work the action (I guess i was babying it). Haven't had any issues since then, and it must be easier to work now, because several others have tried it with no issues. I really like it, but with 3" ammo and the 14" barrel, it's loud and painful - I love it! I have a Norc side by each with 12" tubes, and it isn't nearly as bad. Both also give nice fireballs.
Yup. I'm not a fan of anyone who wants to turn a democracy into a radical theocracy - and I'm not a fan of the industries that support him.
Seriously, though - I get that you're obsequiously hinting that there's a similarity between an Islamist nut job who has marched his country back to the days of the Caliphate, faked a coup, and destroyed the country's constitution, and the democratically elected president of the world's remaining superpower? So, OK dude - that's an interesting world view you have there. Might want to get information from somewhere other than the CBC at some point.
I own a couple ATAs and they are awesome. I would not hesitate to buy them over the more expensive brands that guys seem to love here. If you are concerned about the availability of parts, call the Canadian distributor prior to purchase and ask some questions. I'm looking toward to getting a couple Retays a well, beautiful, inexpensive, shoot great and easy and functional design.
We get hung up between "the best" and "good enough".
Most of our toasters, blenders, microwave ovens etc are made in China and for us that's "good enough".
Fridge/Stove probably made in Mexico (and so is my GMC pickup truck for that matter) - good enough.
Clothes we wear - again, China, Pakistan, Vietnam - good enough.
So what about our shotguns - well Winchester, Weatherby, Mossberg and probably a few others are made in Turkey.
All you hear now is how crappy the Rem 870 is compared to what it used to be and it's made in the USA. So country of origin doesn't really equate to "quality". What it does mean is that the worker who slapped it together probably got paid three or four times as much as his counterpart in Turkey and that probably factors more into the "cost of" then any "cut corners" in the production.
If you don't need a $2k+ B gun because you are going to shoot hundreds of shells on a weekly basis at the skeet club a Turkish shotgun from one of the major makers (Khan, ATA etc) is probably more than most will even need to last a lifetime.
I could drop 900 bucks on a Weatherby SA-08 or under 600 bucks on an ATA CY series and the only difference between the two is the location of the serial number and the name on the side of the receiver and both would outlast my years.
Most of our toasters, blenders, microwave ovens etc are made in China and for us that's "good enough".
Fridge/Stove probably made in Mexico (and so is my GMC pickup truck for that matter) - good enough.
Clothes we wear - again, China, Pakistan, Vietnam - good enough.
So what about our shotguns - well Winchester, Weatherby, Mossberg and probably a few others are made in Turkey.
All you hear now is how crappy the Rem 870 is compared to what it used to be and it's made in the USA. So country of origin doesn't really equate to "quality". What it does mean is that the worker who slapped it together probably got paid three or four times as much as his counterpart in Turkey and that probably factors more into the "cost of" then any "cut corners" in the production.
If you don't need a $2k+ B gun because you are going to shoot hundreds of shells on a weekly basis at the skeet club a Turkish shotgun from one of the major makers (Khan, ATA etc) is probably more than most will even need to last a lifetime.
I could drop 900 bucks on a Weatherby SA-08 or under 600 bucks on an ATA CY series and the only difference between the two is the location of the serial number and the name on the side of the receiver and both would outlast my years.
Yah the stiff action didn't bother me too much.... But the fact that I had to pop the shells out of the chamber with a stick down the barrel in the freezing cold did! The same shells both shot fine though my SXP ( which ironically is also made in Turkey, but with obviously with excellent QC)
Once I started working the action harder, I had no issues with feeding or ejection whatsoever.
Just imagine if this Turkey bashing hypocritical view was extended to other countries that have leaders commonly viewed as being vile or deplorable...like China, The USA or maybe Canada..?
Except these types won't because their own lives would be much too affected by such an all out boycott. Much easier to point their finger at a more convenient moral scapegoat like Turkey.
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I know what you are getting at. Because Canada elected a buffoon, is not an indication the entire country did... I know stereotypes must abound that Canada is a nation of limp wristed, pantywaists who no longer have guns: With the Narcissist trotting the globe, I'm sure that even Tibet has been emboldened to consider mounting an invasion.
I am not familiar with the theological or philosophical background of those in Turkey who manufacture firearms. To be blunt, I don't have any made there because I am skeptical of the quality: Yes, they might function well but I tend to favour originals, not imported copies. I don't like the looks of Derya shotguns either. Hypothetically, if a Turkish manufacturer produced a counterpart to the CZ 452 that was in every way as good, and that manufacturer was of the persecuted Christian persuasion I'd be inclined toward patronizing them. When possible I avoid patronizing those whose ideology is not conducive to leaving me alone and letting me live as I bring no harm to another or vote intelligently, not betraying my country.
Turkey being the mess it is, predominantly adherents to the religion of piece, I'm immediately suspicious: But, I suppose if Constantinople is rebuilt and celebrated, my suspicions would diminish.
^^^ not picking on you but how much time would have to pass.
We don't seem to have much trouble with Italian made guns despite the fact that most of those companies, which were around at the time, had no issue with Mussolini. In fact, Beretta supplied rifles to the Italian army in WWII that no doubt mowed down more than a few Canadian Soldiers. Or how about those sought after Japanese built rifles and shotguns with US companies names on the side - but both of those were WWII things and that was a long time ago.
Or even CZ which was part of the Soviet Union until 1990 - hardly what one could call a "democracy".
And many here certainly have no issue with Chinese or Russian milsurps made in those bastions of human rights and political freedom.
So if we are honest, as a group, we really don't let politics or human rights effect what we want to buy if we like it, want it or think it's cool....
We don't seem to have much trouble with Italian made guns despite the fact that most of those companies, which were around at the time, had no issue with Mussolini. In fact, Beretta supplied rifles to the Italian army in WWII that no doubt mowed down more than a few Canadian Soldiers. Or how about those sought after Japanese built rifles and shotguns with US companies names on the side - but both of those were WWII things and that was a long time ago.
Or even CZ which was part of the Soviet Union until 1990 - hardly what one could call a "democracy".
And many here certainly have no issue with Chinese or Russian milsurps made in those bastions of human rights and political freedom.
So if we are honest, as a group, we really don't let politics or human rights effect what we want to buy if we like it, want it or think it's cool....
None of the countries you named has threatened the lives of individuals who have committed the crime of disagreeing with them, at least in my half century of experience. It's more about the deliberate threat of violence than the philosophy or system of government It's not that long since I was defending Turkish guns as quality products, which I still believe them to be, but I can't recommend that people buy products made in a country that overtly threatens individual citizens of other (supposedly allied) countries.
I no longer pursue the Turkish guns at this point (that could change) simply because of potential parts availability issues.
But at the end of the day, buy whatever guns you want manufactured by whomever. Yes, even Norinco. Can't own enough guns and ammo because some day you just may have to use em against the bastards ..... including our own. So buy as many as you want/can.
But at the end of the day, buy whatever guns you want manufactured by whomever. Yes, even Norinco. Can't own enough guns and ammo because some day you just may have to use em against the bastards ..... including our own. So buy as many as you want/can.
