Tokarev question.

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So I purchased a tokarev
It was advertised as a 1938 t33 Russian Tula

After receiving more pictures from seller.
I noticed TT-C on slide and the cccp grips.
Doing some research, cccp grips came on wwii Era and TT-C are apparently Romanian made
Also 1938 would have been t30 model

Maybe I'm wrong!! Anyone got some input for me.
I can email pics if u want.

Cheers
 
tinymike66 said:
So I purchased a tokarev
It was advertised as a 1938 t33 Russian Tula

After receiving more pictures from seller.
I noticed TT-C on slide and the cccp grips.
Doing some research, cccp grips came on wwii Era and TT-C are apparently Romanian made
Also 1938 would have been t30 model

Maybe I'm wrong!! Anyone got some input for me.
I can email pics if u want.

Cheers
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TT30 1930 - 1936
TT33 1937 -

AFAIK, Romanian - TTC (not TT-C)
 
Good chance it's a mixmaster, like so many Soviet small arms from pre-WWII onward. The Soviet small arms refurbishing industry was a massive make work project post war. Kept hands busy while they de-mobilized. Mosin, SVT's, TT33's... Just about everything went through the refurb process. In a way, it's a testament to their arms design that they could mixmaster the guns and just randomly grab parts and slap them together and come out with a "good as new" gun in the end.

Also a good chance the seller isn't being dishonest, just doesn't know the full story of his pistol, just looked at the most obvious markings and went from there.
 
so I contacted the buyer In regards to my concern, he assures me that the Tokarev is definitely a 1938 and that indeed it is Russian.
He said the TTC markings has to with new export markings
this was his response:

"It is 1938 and it is Russian.

The markings are the new export markings.

Take a look at Weimajacks's latest advertisements for other examples."
 
grelmar said:
Good chance it's a mixmaster, like so many Soviet small arms from pre-WWII onward. The Soviet small arms refurbishing industry was a massive make work project post war. Kept hands busy while they de-mobilized. Mosin, SVT's, TT33's... Just about everything went through the refurb process. In a way, it's a testament to their arms design that they could mixmaster the guns and just randomly grab parts and slap them together and come out with a "good as new" gun in the end.

Also a good chance the seller isn't being dishonest, just doesn't know the full story of his pistol, just looked at the most obvious markings and went from there.
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Oh no, by no means do I think seller is being dishonest.
I am the one with limited knowledge,
So I ask around to get opinions and learn as I go.
 
tinymike66 said:
Oh no, by no means do I think seller is being dishonest.
I am the one with limited knowledge,
So I ask around to get opinions and learn as I go.
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Best way to go.

There are a couple of dealers that I trust implicitly, and a few people around here with deep knowledge of the Reds (Horilka is one). The wide variety of markings can give you a headache, and it's easy to make wrong assumptions about a gun's origins.

Some people get twisted out of shape when a seller says something about a gun that turns out not to be true. Most times the seller is saying what he believes to be true. I'm fairly tolerant of that kind of mistake personally.
 
I was under the impression that the TT-C markings have been around in Russia for a while and it's usually the TT-signal (Russian S is written as a C) or blank firing guns that are marked like that. So we are now getting the blank firing guns that have been re-converted back.

Here's one of many threads about it in Russian for those that read it (remove the blanks) forum . guns . ru/forummessage/192/939958.html
 
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