Ramblr
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Why do these always turn to such $h!t shows? Make no wonder more regulations and goofy laws keep coming at us, you're all too busy fighting eachother
U.n. Firearms marking regulations
- Thread starter Wolverine .303
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Seems like you are the only one getting butthurt by them being part of CADSI. If it is such an issue don't buy from him, doubt he will miss the revenue.
CADSI and the UNATT is bigger than just the markings on the barrel and the only reason they are "working with the liberals" is because they are the party in control. If you don't get involved you get no say.
Actually no, he's not the only one.
Great attitude. Do you run your own business? As an entrepreneur, I can assure you Mr. Wolverine does not want to lose business like that. We are asking for transparency, clarification and accountability. These are not huge asks in my opinion.
Second time I've heard this nonsensical argument. "Part of this new bill includes baby killing. The rest is golden, so don't worry about the baby killing. It's just a small part of it."
Right, but "getting involved" in the discussion does not mean contributing monetarily to the same organization you are fighting against. For example, you can use that same contribution/time to create an awareness campaign, and maintain your position.
Actually I do run my own business that deals with one of the big 3 in the govt and when running your business you quickly realize there are some people you can't negotiate with so you just shrug your shoulders and move on and you end up going where the money is and not be based on personal ideals. I can't speak for Wolverine but if it comes to shooting my business in the foot for what could potentially end up in lucrative business contracts vs pulling the high road that some guy on an internet forum whining about getting a couple digits stamped into a gun, I know where I will go. A business' purpose is to make money, that's the fundamental point of it.
You also missed my point, not being part of CADSI will have no impact on what they do. At least being a part of it, he and other businesses can express their concern to the organization about what the org does. Whether the org decides to adjust their stance depends on sway and member influence, if you leave anything you suggest falls on deaf ears.
And yet again I have to point out that in Canada the biggest purchaser of Defence related products is also controlled by the liberal party. These businesses are not going to get anywhere by thumbing their nose at the govt since they can quite easily decide to go elsewhere, especially since CADSI members are always trying to sell their wares to them.
I think he is doing exactly the right thing; as a business promoting the Joe Publics interests but recognizing there is bigger things that happen that Joe Public doesn't necessarily see. You learn quickly what fights are worth fighting and where
Like I said I have no say in what Wolverine does and I am sure he knows what is best for his business and I may be completely off but that is my .02
You also missed my point, not being part of CADSI will have no impact on what they do. At least being a part of it, he and other businesses can express their concern to the organization about what the org does. Whether the org decides to adjust their stance depends on sway and member influence, if you leave anything you suggest falls on deaf ears.
And yet again I have to point out that in Canada the biggest purchaser of Defence related products is also controlled by the liberal party. These businesses are not going to get anywhere by thumbing their nose at the govt since they can quite easily decide to go elsewhere, especially since CADSI members are always trying to sell their wares to them.
I think he is doing exactly the right thing; as a business promoting the Joe Publics interests but recognizing there is bigger things that happen that Joe Public doesn't necessarily see. You learn quickly what fights are worth fighting and where
Like I said I have no say in what Wolverine does and I am sure he knows what is best for his business and I may be completely off but that is my .02
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This is exactly what I take issue with. Mr. Wolverine has expressed that he is a "gun guy" and was long before creating his business. He stated that he has an established record of defending gun rights. I'm positive that this image has a great deal to do with driving sales to his business. However, In this case it seems he is sacrificing that in order further his bottom line. Everyone understands that the reason anyone is in business is to make money, but don't sell yourself as a gun rights advocate if a juicy contract will trump any obligations to the community you may have.
I disagree. We have a various of avenues of pursuing change, specific to this agreement. Letter writing, advertising, email campaigns, public awareness to name a few.
How does letter writing essentially affect an lobbyist from the outside? The only way to influence them is through who they are trying to influence. Course that involves being a couple voices in amongst the din of 30 million others trying to get their agenda heard by the govt. At least right now in theory CADSI might hear his voice (although I suspect he would be drowned out by the likes of 3M or General Dynamics) AND he can promote gunowners to write their MPs and make them aware of upcoming changes as a local business owner.
oaktree
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One cannot effect change whining outside the wall of organizations that are against you in the first place. Becoming an insider and influencing from the inside where one might actually be able to get air time with the insider power brokers is far more effective.
As an example, CSSA has presented at the UN. I can't think of a more anti gun toxic organization than the UN, however no involvement is to have no involvement. How does one exert meaningful influence on the outside?????
As an example, CSSA has presented at the UN. I can't think of a more anti gun toxic organization than the UN, however no involvement is to have no involvement. How does one exert meaningful influence on the outside?????
- Location
- Ontario
Except that the CSSA wasn't endorsing the UN's policies but speaking against them. CADSI and its members are "committed to working" with the Liberals to help them implement the UNATT which includes the gun marking scheme.
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- Ottawa, Ontario
CADSI has jumped into a pile of UN crap without looking (and our own Govt is realizing they have done also; that is why they are "frequency hoping now" and with good reason which is good as it tells us that they are capable of self reflection; all good and NOT A SIGN OF WEAKNESS, AT ALL). As President Obama said some people do "stupid s...T. I would clearly say that that applies to President Obama as well clearly waffling on foreign policy until more blood and treasure flowed to pander to a domestic election cycle at the cost of lives overseas). To be fair, we have all done "stupid s...t" at some point in our lives. Anyone who says they haven't is either a liar, completely unaware and incapable of self reflection (which is worse), or they are just crawling out of the womb, right, about..... Now
I believe CADSI will change with people like Wolverine pushing and others; all in their own way
Sometimes, one just needs to have faith
All the best and have a good evening
CADSI is a lobbying group for defence manufacturers they will say whatever they can to keep a working relationship with whatever political party is in power and btw the exact quote is:
" CADSI remains committed to working with the Government of Canada as it accedes to the UN ATT. Right now that is the liberal party.
Last time I checked this has been years in the making, I didn't see the last govt getting out of it, Lord knows they had more than enough time. Almost like both parties realize there may be a reason to continue with it...
