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Hitzy said:
There are at least 3 known machinists​ that have commented on this thread.
The owner of SFRC stated it came to them directly from NEA like that.

This is some grand master fanboy #### right here to ignore that...or an NEA shill.
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Take a look at your own pictures before you start to call names. Understand how that part was manufactured and come up with a logical conclusion. I am a machinist as well. I don't own any NEA. And one more time - look at your own pictures.

Sure it came to SFRC like that, but how can you now jump to the conclusion that is is a machining mistake because of this bit of information?
 
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fdc said:
Take a look at your own pictures before you start to call names. Understand how that part was manufactured and come up with a logical conclusion. I am a machinist as well. I don't own any NEA. And one more time - look at your own pictures.

Sure it came to SFRC like that, but how can you now jump to the conclusion that is is a machining mistake because of this bit of information?
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Well for one thing, it's NEW IN THE BOX and has never been installed on anything, how could it have been a bullet strike?
As I already mentioned, if it was a bullet strike, then the brake was returned to NEA, they cleaned it up spotless, and sent it BACK out for retail looking like that? I don't have much faith in NEA, but I would like to think they are not that completely f'd up. That's far worse then some broken bit or slipped in the lathe mistake that got sent out. Hell look at all the other machining errors on that brake and tell me how that wasn't done during production?
 
bruh said:
How dare you. Obviously Kidd X knows more about economics and product quality demands among consumers better then McDonalds.
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Hahaha!!!!

Rotten Ronnie's is pretty good about food safety as well as marketing. Food safety Nazis would be a fair way to express it.

Really unfortunate about your brake Hitzy. I've purchased two NEA brakes lately. Quite happy with them, BUT, I paid so little I didn't expect much.
 
fdc said:
I would agree. Look at the images. Anyone who says that this is a production tooling problem hasn't machined anything, ever. Lots of opinions, little expertise.
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I'll be honest, without the information from SFRC, I would agree that it is a customer returned baffle strike. It would be a much more believable explanation than the numerous points of failure in the QC chain.

However, the dealer says it came from NEA like that.
 
Ok if people say it's a bullet strike then they are saying op is lying. What does the op have to gain by coming here wasting time writing a post, putting pictures up?

Plus who are you all to call anyone a liar. I once posted that I saw with my own eyes an NEA muzzle device explode and peel back like a banana and still people called me a liar! The owner of sfrc came on this thread and said it was marked as defect at sfrc and was never intended to go out to retail sale. But people come here and say its the op, he shot a hole through it. Are you all for real? Like wtf! cgn at its best...

People saying it's NEA usual crap quality then they are saying what? So those people are all liars too? Not like NEA is here on this thread denying this report. Not like we have oh about a thread a month about an NEA product failing. All lies? You all serious?

So what's more believable? That the op is saying the truth and made this post because he is severely disappointed in the product he paid his hard earned money on and got crap. Or tyat NEA makes top quality products, and no way could one of them get out like this.

But to thise that believe, yep NEA is awesome bro, go buy more, they're the best 25000 rounds and still going bang, the kurds use em, the special forces use them to fight evil, the mighty griffon is all powerful.

NEA is awesome, go buy it!
 
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To say that the damage is from a bullet strike doesn't make the OP a liar. I don't know how you can jump to that conclusion. The OP jumps to plenty of conclusions as do a lot of folks on this thread. (I do it too, I'm just pointing it out.)

Look at the damage. Look at the straight striations in the defect, they're on the same axis as the barrel. Look at the crater inside the brake that is the inner most part of the defect. What kind of cutter makes that? It would have to be a ball end mill. Not likely. And when I say ball end mill I say so because of the profile of the defect. The defect does not appear to be a cutting defect but a shearing/impact defect.

Look at the force that pushed the metal around the defect outwards. Significant don't you think? So lets say that a cutter broke on the CNC lathe or mill. Understand feeds and speeds and the fact that there is a broken chunk of cutter being pushed around by a revolving broken cutter. Do you see that kind of damage? I don't think so.

Take a look at a milling cutter, what do the cutting edges look like? They are spirals. Have you ever broken a spiral cutter in a cut? If you had you'd recognise right away that this damage does not look like a broken cutter.

Did this brake come from NEA? Yes. Did the retailer ship it out? Yes. Do any of us know that this brake came from NEA went to SFRC and was then shipped directly to the OP? No. Is it possible that SFRC shipped this out to a previous customer who buggered it up, they cleaned it up and then sent it back to SFRC for a credit? Yes. Is it possible that SFRC missed this and then shipped it out to the OP? Yes. Chain of custody is something that none of us know in this instance.

Is it not possible that NEA is not responsible for this damaged brake? Yes.
 
p.Rundle said:
this thread is alarming, to anyone defending NEA or attacking Hitzy...continue buying guns from a risky manufacturer instead of S&W or making your own AR's. Whatever floats your boat. Hitzy seems like a smart cookie and hopefully he won't buy more from this dumpster fire company. NEA is pathetic.
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Insightful.
 
fdc said:
To say that the damage is from a bullet strike doesn't make the OP a liar. I don't know how you can jump to that conclusion. The OP jumps to plenty of conclusions as do a lot of folks on this thread. (I do it too, I'm just pointing it out.)
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I don't think anyone is calling Hitzy a liar, if they are, I doubt he'd make a rookie mistake and then complain about it here...check the post count/posts, he's an active and experienced shooter as far as I can tell. What is in question is how it got damaged, not who did it. If it was damaged how it appears to be, it's almost like NEA has a sailor who's drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. I can understand his outrage, I kind of feel the same way about Savage for similar reasons (just a little miffed, not outraged in my case). As for NEA, no doubt their QC seems to be in need of a reboot.

As for that other guy, keep it up and I'll post a link to the thread...
 
fdc said:
To say that the damage is from a bullet strike doesn't make the OP a liar. I don't know how you can jump to that conclusion. The OP jumps to plenty of conclusions as do a lot of folks on this thread. (I do it too, I'm just pointing it out.)

Look at the damage. Look at the straight striations in the defect, they're on the same axis as the barrel. Look at the crater inside the brake that is the inner most part of the defect. What kind of cutter makes that? It would have to be a ball end mill. Not likely. And when I say ball end mill I say so because of the profile of the defect. The defect does not appear to be a cutting defect but a shearing/impact defect.

Look at the force that pushed the metal around the defect outwards. Significant don't you think? So lets say that a cutter broke on the CNC lathe or mill. Understand feeds and speeds and the fact that there is a broken chunk of cutter being pushed around by a revolving broken cutter. Do you see that kind of damage? I don't think so.

Take a look at a milling cutter, what do the cutting edges look like? They are spirals. Have you ever broken a spiral cutter in a cut? If you had you'd recognise right away that this damage does not look like a broken cutter.

Did this brake come from NEA? Yes. Did the retailer ship it out? Yes. Do any of us know that this brake came from NEA went to SFRC and was then shipped directly to the OP? No. Is it possible that SFRC shipped this out to a previous customer who buggered it up, they cleaned it up and then sent it back to SFRC for a credit? Yes. Is it possible that SFRC missed this and then shipped it out to the OP? Yes. Chain of custody is something that none of us know in this instance.

Is it not possible that NEA is not responsible for this damaged brake? Yes.
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So you are calling Ryan at SFRC a liar then?
The largest NEA dealer in Canada, who says the brake came to them from NEA like that.
They would have a record of any returns BTW, but you know that already right?
There is zero damage anywhere else, no thread damage, no finish wear any place at all from installation, no carbon, no copper in the strike, nothing. So how did it get shot? You come up with the least likely scenario possible and think everyone should buy it?
I guess you think the US Gov was behind 9/11 too, since that is the least logical​ conclusion anyone could come up with...
It looks like the impact was from the front to me, and more then once, like chatter.
 
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redshooter said:
I don't think anyone is calling Hitzy a liar, if they are, I doubt he'd make a rookie mistake and then complain about it here...check the post count/posts, he's an active and experienced shooter as far as I can tell. What is in question is how it got damaged, not who did it. If it was damaged how it appears to be, it's almost like NEA has a sailor who's drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. I can understand his outrage, I kind of feel the same way about Savage for similar reasons (just a little miffed, not outraged in my case). As for NEA, no doubt their QC seems to be in need of a reboot.

As for that other guy, keep it up and I'll post a link to the thread...
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Here is the time I picked the package up, I know you are not accusing me of anything, but just to remove any doubt it was me lol.

I'd have to be pretty quick to mount it, drive an hour​ to my range, shoot it, come home another hour, blast it and remove all traces of firing, take pics and start this thread all while starting work at 9am on top of all that.
 
Never had any doubt Hitzy.

It's crazy, because it looks like it had a strike and then someone at the plant cleaned it up to like new but for the damage, stuffed it in a package and sent it back out.
 
I'm not calling anyone a liar. Mikethebike used the word liar in his post and I responded to that then moved on to discuss the damaged brake. People on this thread are 100% that they know how the brake was damaged but they can't even keep simple posts straight. I have tried to explain why I don't think that this is a cutting tool accident, others have just pointed fingers based on hearsay.

Having worked in the motorcycle business, the performance end of things and as a fabricator, I have seen more than my share of damaged returns, restocked, and then shipped out by the distributor as a NIB item. Parts as well as tooling. It happens all the time. The only deceitful person was the person who wrecked something and returned it. The distributors were likely just careless. Again, I don't know any more than the rest of the CGN experts, I just don't recognise a manufacturing defect and I've been responsible for my share!

Regardless I'd love to hear the truth about the brake and how it got this way. I hope that you are taken care of properly and get it sorted to your satisfaction.
 
fdc said:
I'm not calling anyone a liar. Mikethebike used the word liar in his post and I responded to that then moved on to discuss the damaged brake. People on this thread are 100% that they know how the brake was damaged but they can't even keep simple posts straight. I have tried to explain why I don't think that this is a cutting tool accident, others have just pointed fingers based on hearsay.

Having worked in the motorcycle business, the performance end of things and as a fabricator, I have seen more than my share of damaged returns, restocked, and then shipped out by the distributor as a NIB item. Parts as well as tooling. It happens all the time. The only deceitful person was the person who wrecked something and returned it. The distributors were likely just careless. Again, I don't know any more than the rest of the CGN experts, I just don't recognise a manufacturing defect and I've been responsible for my share!

Regardless I'd love to hear the truth about the brake and how it got this way. I hope that you are taken care of properly and get it sorted to your satisfaction.
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As we said it came like that from NEA. I'd set it off to the side to ship back to them but it was accidentally shipped out. It's not a return, etc. I don't think it's a bullet strike, I think it is a massive tooling mark...bit broke, cat got caught in the machine, or something like that.
 
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