Being too demanding?

BadLieutenant

BadLieutenant

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I have had an AR180b for a few years, and never I would have thought that I would want to let her go.....

Story short, I placed it in the EE for a possible trade for a 7.62 x 51 black rifle two weeks ago.....

I was under the impression that sooooo many people would want one..... over 1000 views and only received offers for 5.56 rifles :(

I understand that many people believe it is a $1000 rifle, but so far I have seen some going between $1800-2600 (here and other places)

So, wanting a SOCOM 16, a Famea 542, XCR M or high end AR10 is being too demanding? (I was ready to maybe commit for a Tavor.....depending on what would be offered)
 
Yes; folks that have been around remember their sale price new out the door. For the valuation you've placed on it, folks can have modern tech. Never mind the breakages of the receiver forward pin area.

And just because a rifle was listed on the EE for $1800 - $2600 and it disappeared, that in no way means the seller got that asking price.

My $.002...
 
I paid $700 for one.. New.

There is no way I'd pay remotely near what people ask for these rifles.... Even if I wanted one, which I don't cuz really.... It's a ####ty rifle.
 
I would just keep it for $700-1100 ;)

Funny to see reactions when some DID sold for that type of money.....Irunguns had one...and it sold.......Another on Canadian Access to Firearm did sold for close to $2700.
 
667 said:
I paid $700 for one.. New.

There is no way I'd pay remotely near what people ask for these rifles.... Even if I wanted one, which I don't cuz really.... It's a ####ty rifle.
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That's funny since Eugene Stoner designed it as an improved design to replace the M-16 but the US gov was already fully committed to the M-16 and stuck with it. The polymer lower is not the original design and may be inferior to the original but there have actually been very few failures and many of them would be user error not design flaw.
I paid $1400 for mine new and was one of the last ones imported. I agree with you though that I would never pay the prices people are asking these days. Once you hit $2000 I can think​ of a few other rifles I'd rather save a little more money for.
 
That's the reason I am not selling it......I think that is a bit much to ask $2000


.....but I do know someone who wants one (find another one), could have been interested.

I was offered a XCR L, a Colt AR15 and another high end AR15...on a one-for-one trade...... So?

cr5 said:
That's funny since Eugene Stoner designed it as an improved design to replace the M-16 but the US gov was already fully committed to the M-16 and stuck with it. The polymer lower is not the original design and may be inferior to the original but there have actually been very few failures and many of them would be user error not design flaw.
I paid $1400 for mine new and was one of the last ones imported. I agree with you though that I would never pay the prices people are asking these days. Once you hit $2000 I can think​ of a few other rifles I'd rather save a little more money for.
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There is another factor: how many are and are NOT in the market for such a rifle? Meaning, five years ago there might have been tons of buyers. But maybe now, not so much. Maybe less disposable income. Took a 30% pay cut. Fewer hours at work. Already have several black rifles.


suddenly a lot fewer willing to pay big.
 
Yes and no...... When I see the hype for something like a semi-auto SMG with a magazine capacity of 5 rounds (Sig Sauer MPX) for over $2000......I wonder if people have a problem with money when they really want something.


I would not even pay $500 for a restricted semi-auto subgun with a 5 round mag.....what is it for? Simply to impress people at the range......C'mon!
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RickR1100 said:
There is another factor: how many are and are NOT in the market for such a rifle? Meaning, five years ago there might have been tons of buyers. But maybe now, not so much. Maybe less disposable income. Took a 30% pay cut. Fewer hours at work. Already have several black rifles.


suddenly a lot fewer willing to pay big.
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Like I see these poor guys awaiting on the Type 81 saga........ I would never pay $1000 for a ChiCom rifle....... maybe $700-800, but never over $1000

To each their own....I guess
 
Things sell for what someone will pay.
The original AR-18 was intended to be a low cost service rifle - less expensive than the AR-15.M-16. Didn't get much traction. The AR-180 was the civil version, and was made by Armalite (Costa Mesa), Sterling and Howa. Not exactly a commercial success for any of the manufacturers.
The AR-18/180 was designed as an inexpensive rifle; the 180B has features that are just plain cheap.
Apart from N-R status, is there anything outstanding about the rifle? Low cost was to be the initial appeal. Once that is gone, what is left?
One that I would have found interesting would be a civil AR-16.
 
Yes and no...... When I see the hype for something like a semi-auto SMG with a magazine capacity of 5 rounds (Sig Sauer MPX) for over $2000......I wonder if people have a problem with money when they really want something.

I would not even pay $500 for a restricted semi-auto subgun with a 5 round mag.....what is it for? Simply to impress people at the range......C'mon!
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Home defense?
 
I fully understand...... that AR16 would be too good


tiriaq said:
Things sell for what someone will pay.
The original AR-18 was intended to be a low cost service rifle - less expensive than the AR-15.M-16. Didn't get much traction. The AR-180 was the civil version, and was made by Armalite (Costa Mesa), Sterling and Howa. Not exactly a commercial success for any of the manufacturers.
The AR-18/180 was designed as an inexpensive rifle; the 180B has features that are just plain cheap.
Apart from N-R status, is there anything outstanding about the rifle? Low cost was to be the initial appeal. Once that is gone, what is left?
One that I would have found interesting would be a civil AR-16.
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BadLieutenant said:
That's the reason I am not selling it......I think that is a bit much to ask $2000


.....but I do know someone who wants one (find another one), could have been interested.

I was offered a XCR L, a Colt AR15 and another high end AR15...on a one-for-one trade...... So?
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Take the trade while you can cuz I don't think it will get any better for ya.

Who really would want to trade a 2500$ + rifle for one that's worth 1000$ + :-/

I bought my 180B for 1600$ and sold it for about the same price weeks later. I wouldnt pay any higher then that for a 180B period
 
BadLieutenant said:
I would not even pay $500 for a restricted semi-auto subgun with a 5 round mag.....what is it for? Simply to impress people at the range......C'mon!
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You seem to have difficulty understanding that some people do not think like you do...I'm not sure if that means you are being too demanding or just arrogant. Regardless, it isn't surprising that you are disappointed with the responses to your ad.


tiriaq said:
Things sell for what someone will pay.
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Exactly. This statement is deceiving because it is simple, concise, and incredibly accurate.
 
cr5 said:
That's funny since Eugene Stoner designed it as an improved design to replace the M-16 but the US gov was already fully committed to the M-16 and stuck with it. The polymer lower is not the original design and may be inferior to the original but there have actually been very few failures and many of them would be user error not design flaw.
I paid $1400 for mine new and was one of the last ones imported. I agree with you though that I would never pay the prices people are asking these days. Once you hit $2000 I can think​ of a few other rifles I'd rather save a little more money for.
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Not quite. The AR-18 was an economical design for countries without a lot of money for small arms. (Hence the stamped steel construction.) It has good ideas that have become the current short-stroke piston paradigm, but it was not designed as an improved AR-15 outright replacement.
 
Agent Law said:
Not quite. The AR-18 was an economical design for countries without a lot of money for small arms. (Hence the stamped steel construction.) It has good ideas that have become the current short-stroke piston paradigm, but it was not designed as an improved AR-15 outright replacement.
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Correct the purpose of its design was to circumvent the patents on the m-16 rifle which Stoner/Armalite sold to Colt. They (Armalite) realized the need to produce another commercially viable 5.56 rifle without infringing on the m-16---Dieseldog!
 
BadLieutenant said:
Any $200 shotgun can be used for that purpose.....in another country! (you cannot use a firearm to defend yourself in this country.....You still can, but will be arrested and charged with what ever they will throw at you)
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yes you can, no they will not always charge you
please do your research before saying bs
out of all the home defense scenarios where one used a firearm to defend himself in this country perhaps only 1 in 10 got charged
 
Why would I take the trade if it is not what I really want?

On another note.....strange to say it is a $1000 rifle when you bought one for $1600 and say you would not pay more than that for one :)


bfiles said:
Take the trade while you can cuz I don't think it will get any better for ya.

Who really would want to trade a 2500$ + rifle for one that's worth 1000$ + :-/

I bought my 180B for 1600$ and sold it for about the same price weeks later. I wouldnt pay any higher then that for a 180B period
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