Being too demanding?

Runningfool said:
You seem to have difficulty understanding that some people do not think like you do...I'm not sure if that means you are being too demanding or just arrogant. Regardless, it isn't surprising that you are disappointed with the responses to your ad
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I am not arrogant at all.....but you seem to be.... a little

I am not disappointed.....just surprised....all these people wanting an AR180b for all these years
 
Don't come up with stats that you can't back up.....maybe in BC it's different but here in Quebec you will get arrested and most likely charged.....they will find anything to charge you.....they will not let you off the hook easily.... they will take all they can to find you at fault.

No stats.....please do not says that what I say is BS.....please.


mikethebike said:
yes you can, no they will not always charge you
please do your research before saying bs
out of all the home defense scenarios where one used a firearm to defend himself in this country perhaps only 1 in 10 got charged
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Agent Law said:
Not quite. The AR-18 was an economical design for countries without a lot of money for small arms. (Hence the stamped steel construction.) It has good ideas that have become the current short-stroke piston paradigm, but it was not designed as an improved AR-15 outright replacement.
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Cheap stamped steel construction like the $4000 Swiss Arms rifles?
Do some reading, what I've read on sites like AR180.com says Stoner designed it as a cheaper to produce rifle that had a better/more reliable operating system. It wasn't originally for poor countries but it may have ended up going that way when the US military said no.
It's a great rifle and design that was perhaps made a little worse when Armalite made it into the 180 with the polymer lower. I personally don't see the polymer lower as a negative since most of the failures occured on a batch of rifles they built with a bad batch of polymer (most of which were sold in the US) which Armalite warrantied, any rifles still surviving were probably not from that batch and shouldn't have any issues as long as the user doesn't release the rear latch and let the upper swing down and slam the lower which would probably break an AR as well if you had a 19 inch barrel hanging out front.
I love my 180 but realize there are better rifles out there, my ACR is light years ahead of it for instance and even though the AR-15 is restricted I would still take mine over the 180 in a SHTF scenario.
The prices they seem to be going for lately make me shake my head, I think $1600 is the max I would pay for one, that would also be for a good condition original one, if it had the MI railed forend and/or the Stormwerkz stock adapter I would knock value off.

BadLieutenant said:
Yes and no...... When I see the hype for something like a semi-auto SMG with a magazine capacity of 5 rounds (Sig Sauer MPX) for over $2000......I wonder if people have a problem with money when they really want something.


I would not even pay $500 for a restricted semi-auto subgun with a 5 round mag.....what is it for? Simply to impress people at the range......C'mon!
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You may be forgetting that some people only shoot at a gun range so a restricted classification means nothing and that rifle would get used just as much as a non restricted rifle.
And it's not about impressing anyone, some people just really like the AR-15 or other restricted firearms and enjoy shooting paper, gongs, doing 3-gun, shooting service rifle, along with whatever else they like doing at the range. If a person is in to 3-gun there really isn't a better choice for your carbine than an AR-15, restricted or not it's light, accurate, and reliable and there really isn't another rifle available in Canada that can compete with it for that shooting sport.
 
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cr5 said:
You may be forgetting that some people only shoot at a gun range so a restricted classification means nothing and that rifle would get used just as much as a non restricted rifle.
And it's not about impressing anyone, some people just really like the AR-15 or other restricted firearms and enjoy shooting paper, gongs, doing 3-gun, shooting service rifle, along with whatever else they like doing at the range. If a person is in to 3-gun there really isn't a better choice for your carbine than an AR-15, restricted or not it's light, accurate, and reliable and there really isn't another rifle available in Canada that can compete with it for that shooting sport.
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Personnaly, I do not understand the fact of spending over $2000 for something as a semi-auto restricted subgun with a 5 rounds magazine...... what "thrill" do you get from that besides the tacticool factor? Those things are not all that accurate.....no stock....I don't get it. (I would buy a JR carbine way before buying a subgun if I wanted to shoot pistol cartridges)

Everybody is entitle to buy what ever they like....it was an answer to the AR180b not being worth more than $1000....at least it's non restricted and still shoot decent groups

BTW, I do not care if a rifle is restricted or not.....I shoot in the US......as soon as I cross the border, it is not restricted anymore.
 
BadLieutenant said:
Don't come up with stats that you can't back up.....maybe in BC it's different but here in Quebec you will get arrested and most likely charged.....they will find anything to charge you.....they will not let you off the hook easily.... they will take all they can to find you at fault.

No stats.....please do not says that what I say is BS.....please.
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there was a thread on here specifically on this a couple months ago, one guy researched and posted every instance where a firearm was used in self defense in Canada rightfully or not and what he outcome was. O
it was 1 in 10 only were charged.
illegal to use a firearm in self defense is a myth that must stop, regardless of which province you live in we have one criminal code in Canada although Quebec tends to believe they can make stuff up at a whim.
so yes, bs, stop propagating the myth. Sorry for being blunt but you seem to live in a world of your own creation...
 
I don't know much about the ar180b .... I have no idea about it's dollar value, but right now, at this particular moment in time, American ar15's are going for $650-$700. Maybe your problem selling is about timing as well. Many people that would never have considered a restricted rifle are picking up ar15's for cheap prices. No, these prices don't last, but maybe many people have spent their money already on the deals to be had currently? And more non-restricted options have shown up or are expected/hoped to be showing up..... therefore, less interest?
 
I would trade it for the best value you can. If that means you take a little hit, so be it. There are a lot of disciplines where the NR V R status is a non issue. 3 gun, dCRA, 2 Gun, etc

Why whine when you have had some decent offers? Then if you don't care for the trade, trade or sell for something else.

I have traded firearms, for optics, other guns, and even (omg) cash. I tend to do better on trades with used firearms than cash but that is up to you.

While I am not a fan of the AR180B, Sometimes patience is a virtue, and finding the right home for it.

GLWS
 
Anything is only worth what someone will pay for it.
If no one wants to buy your gun, then it is overpriced. It's not their fault for not wanting to pay what you think your gun is worth.
If you want to sell it, drop your price, if you don't want to sell it for a cheaper price then don't sell it.
It's not rocket science.
 
mikethebike said:
there was a thread on here specifically on this a couple months ago, one guy researched and posted every instance where a firearm was used in self defense in Canada rightfully or not and what he outcome was. O
it was 1 in 10 only were charged.
illegal to use a firearm in self defense is a myth that must stop, regardless of which province you live in we have one criminal code in Canada although Quebec tends to believe they can make stuff up at a whim.
so yes, bs, stop propagating the myth. Sorry for being blunt but you seem to live in a world of your own creation...
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Not propagating no myth Mike....and do not live in a world of my own creation neither...... From what I saw from experience is that they will evoke all other things in relation to the storage....the time it took me to remove the pistol out of the safe...load it and then used it for self defense. And what if the guy doesn't have a weapon and is not an immediate threat to my safety? I know a guy who was charged with assault .....for punching a guy that had broke into his home.....#### can and will happen in Quebec....trust me on that!
 
I am not selling......trying to get a trade for a 7.62 x 51 black rifle......
City Boy said:
I don't know much about the ar180b .... I have no idea about it's dollar value, but right now, at this particular moment in time, American ar15's are going for $650-$700. Maybe your problem selling is about timing as well. Many people that would never have considered a restricted rifle are picking up ar15's for cheap prices. No, these prices don't last, but maybe many people have spent their money already on the deals to be had currently? And more non-restricted options have shown up or are expected/hoped to be showing up..... therefore, less interest?
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Why do you say I'm whining......I am not

None of the offers are meeting what I asked for the trade...... I am in no rush to get rid of the 180b. Decent offers are not what I want.....why would I trade my Honda Civic for a Toyota Corolla.....when I want a pick up truck?

I made this thread because I was very surprised I was not finding someone to trade with.....I'm not desperate and can keep the 180b in my safe for the years to come.

Got Juice? said:
I would trade it for the best value you can. If that means you take a little hit, so be it. There are a lot of disciplines where the NR V R status is a non issue. 3 gun, dCRA, 2 Gun, etc

Why whine when you have had some decent offers? Then if you don't care for the trade, trade or sell for something else.

I have traded firearms, for optics, other guns, and even (omg) cash. I tend to do better on trades with used firearms than cash but that is up to you.

While I am not a fan of the AR180B, Sometimes patience is a virtue, and finding the right home for it.

GLWS
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I am not selling.....before implying that I am stupid or selling for too much...READ the whole thread!

I WANT a 7.62 x 51 black rifle.....and no one has made any offer for what I WANT.

I have received descent offers.....but all in 5.56......That's NOT what I want.....

Eddmac said:
Anything is only worth what someone will pay for it.
If no one wants to buy your gun, then it is overpriced. It's not their fault for not wanting to pay what you think your gun is worth.
If you want to sell it, drop your price, if you don't want to sell it for a cheaper price then don't sell it.
It's not rocket science.
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BadLieutenant said:
Why do you say I'm whining......I am not

None of the offers are meeting what I asked for the trade...... I am in no rush to get rid of the 180b. Decent offers are not what I want.....why would I trade my Honda Civic for a Toyota Corolla.....when I want a pick up truck?

I made this thread because I was very surprised I was not finding someone to trade with.....I'm not desperate and can keep the 180b in my safe for the years to come.
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Ah. the trouble sometimes communicating on the internet :) no harm,no foul. GLWS= Good Luck With Sale. When the deal is right, it will happen.
 
At the price people are used to hocking them at, there are many other better options available with parts support these days in Canada.
They are not the sole, sought after unicorns they once were hence your trouble selling it.
$1500-$2000 is a lot of money to drop on a rifle that if a part breaks, you may as well just toss it in the river....
Don't get me wrong, I love the design personally. I owned two over the years. But if I was going to drop anywhere near the amount of cash people used to try and sell them for before there were all these current NR black rifle options, I wouldn't even look at a used AR180b.
XCR-L used isn't much more expensive and there's spare parts a plenty available. Plus the caliber switching with allan keys is a huge feature for some.
 
I have no trouble selling it....but it is not for sale.......strangely, I had many offers to buy it....but no offers in $$$. If I could have an offer to get that 7.62 x 51 black rifle, I would go for that.

I fully understand what you are saying.....but since there are still people interested, I am willing to let her go.....for what I want.

Peace Brother

Travis Bickle said:
At the price people are used to hocking them at, there are many other better options available with parts support these days in Canada.
They are not the sole, sought after unicorns they once were hence your trouble selling it.
$1500-$2000 is a lot of money to drop on a rifle that if a part breaks, you may as well just toss it in the river....
Don't get me wrong, I love the design personally. I owned two over the years. But if I was going to drop anywhere near the amount of cash people used to try and sell them for before there were all these current NR black rifle options, I wouldn't even look at a used AR180b.
XCR-L used isn't much more expensive and there's spare parts a plenty available. Plus the caliber switching with allan keys is a huge feature for some.
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Why did you even come on here to ask? You're convinced it's worth much more than anyone else here.
Were you looking for debate? Justification? Create interest?
The members have spoken; you disagree. End.
Good luck in seeking out your .308/7.62 black rifle.
 
Having owned 2 180Bs over the years and currently owning a Famae SG542, I dont feel theres any comparison. My first 180B broke at the hinge after 50 rounds, no misuse at all, and I never trusted my 2nd not to do the same. Both are long gone. If you sold your 180B and bought the rifle your looking for I doubt you'd have any regrets, my 542 is an absolute beast and I wouldn't trade it for 10 180B's.
 
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