Tavor X95 or Swissarms???

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I'm in the market for a new black(or green) rifle. I have narrowed it down to either a Swissarms Classic Green or a new Tavor X95. Which do you fellow CGNers think is the best choice of the two? Money is absolutely not a consideration in this decision as I have no problem spending as much money as it takes to get the best.

Also, I already own a Tavor Tar-21, so please factor that into your recommendations. Is there a point of owning two bulpup rifles or would it be best to get an entirely new platform like the Swissarms.
 
I have all of the 3 rifles you have mentioned. The x95 is not a substantial amount different from the classic Tar-21. That said, depending on what you want, I still say the x95 is better than the swiss overall. (Tar-21 too for that matter.)

To be frank I find the swiss to be a very high quality dated platform that has remained unchanged since its conception. Nostalgic and reeks of quality but none the less is a old rifle.

The x95 on the other hand is an update on one of the already more modern designs available.
 
X95. More modern, more compact, takes ar mags, way cheaper so more money for ammo. SA will be more accurate however.

I bought an x95 and so far I dont regret one bit
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onetwentyish said:
I have all of the 3 rifles you have mentioned. The x95 is not a substantial amount different from the classic Tar-21. That said, depending on what you want, I still say the x95 is better than the swiss overall. (Tar-21 too for that matter.)

To be frank I find the swiss to be a very high quality dated platform that has remained unchanged since its conception. Nostalgic and reeks of quality but none the less is a old rifle.

The x95 on the other hand is an update on one of the already more modern designs available.
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I appreciate the input. What are the real changes from the Tar-21 in the X95? Is it just ergonomic changes, IE - lighter trigger, mag release, charging handle? Are the internal components mostly the same between the two rifles?

I do agree the Tavor is battle tested through and through and the bulpup configuration strikes the perfect balance between overall length and accuracy, but isn't the sig550 essentially an AK-47? Its really hard to argue with the dependability of the AK.
 
John Rambo said:
X95. More modern, more compact, takes ar mags, way cheaper so more money for ammo. SA will be more accurate however.

I bought an x95 and so far I dont regret one bit
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I do admit that is one ###y beast! Do you also own a Tar-21? If so how does it compare to the Tar-21? Is it better 'enough' to get one if you already own an original Tavor?
 
If I were in the business of clearing houses full if hostiles, I would go with the X95. However, having owned both, for the purpose one uses such rifles in civilian life and target shooting, even informal, the SAN is my clear choice.
 
cz858lover said:
I do admit that is one ###y beast! Do you also own a Tar-21? If so how does it compare to the Tar-21? Is it better 'enough' to get one if you already own an original Tavor?
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I never owned an original tavor but i did handle one.
The internals are pretty much the same but they listened to feedback and addressed what people didnt like on the SAR.
It now has a better lighter trigger (5-6 lbs instead of 9-10), AR style mag release, they moved the charging handle closer to the body, slimed it down and added front picatinny rails all around that you can cover when not is use.

That said I don't think the SAR is outdated it just takes a little more time to get used to if you're coming from an AR platform
 
The X95 is without a doubt the more modern platform. Other than the Swiss Arms being slightly heavier and more cumbersome, and the ability of the Tavor to take 10 round LAR mags (without conversion), the Swiss arms wins hands down for accuracy, quality and reliability. While the platform is slightly outdated, the ergonomics are still excellent. An ambidextrous safety is standard, bolt release is in the same position as an AR-15, magazine changes can be done just as fast as an AR with a little practice, and the fold to side trigger guard is really nice for winter shooting.
 
I would say get the Swiss. In my mind it is a 'better' gun, if you can really compare them like that. You also already have what essentially is an X95, so I would say get into the different platform. Variety is the spice of life!
 
If you want to clear a room = x95 / Tar 21
If you want to confidently perform a kill shot on coyote at 300m = SA

Since you have the Tar-21 already, unless you want to hand one to your friend and clear a room together, get the SA.

Why not get an ACR and have it converted to NR?
 
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blaxsun said:
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned the obscene weight of the Swiss Arms. It's literally like 10-12lbs before you mount a single accessory on it (and that's even before an optic).
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4.1kg (9lb) for a full length 550/SAN with bipod. The bipod itself takes off almost half a pound, all from the front, when removed. The X95 is close to 8lb with the NR length barrel (7.5lb with 16.5" bbl), so realistically you're talking less than 1lb difference. Additionally, with the 550, you're looking at almost a 21" bbl, a 18.6" rebareled carbine is even closer in weight to the Tavor. The Tavor does balance much better due to being a bullpup, but it isn't that much lighter.
 
Ar180shooter said:
4.1kg (9lb) for a full length 550/SAN with bipod. The bipod itself takes off almost half a pound, all from the front, when removed. The X95 is close to 8lb with the NR length barrel (7.5lb with 16.5" bbl), so realistically you're talking less than 1lb difference. Additionally, with the 550, you're looking at almost a 21" bbl, a 18.6" rebareled carbine is even closer in weight to the Tavor. The Tavor does balance much better due to being a bullpup, but it isn't that much lighter.
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I thought it was quite a bit more with the stock polymer handguard, but maybe my recollection is off. I know if you run the aftermarket rail system it really becomes a pig. One advantage with either the TAR-21 or X95 is that they're unlikely to get thrown under the bus by the distributor and prohibited...
 
blaxsun said:
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned the obscene weight of the Swiss Arms. It's literally like 10-12lbs before you mount a single accessory on it (and that's even before an optic).
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Just weighed my Classic Green. Empty mag, with optic rail and diopter sights. 9lb 2oz.

Edit: Yeah, you are right about adding the fore rail. That thing is a pig. I could put it on and weigh my Classic Green, but I really don't have the ambition right now.
 
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