Build your own exotic game preserve?...

umchorn2 said:
kodiakjack,

I appreciate the publicity. Unfortunately in many provinces, especially Manitoba, the government has done a poor job of managing big game populations at sustainable or growing levels. Some of you may be aware that the future of big game hunting in Manitoba for especially moose and elk has been called into question due to drastically declining populations over the past few years with no sign of recovery. Even white tailed deer populations are so low that a season closure was considered but the alternative, bucks only was voted in at the Manitoba Wildlife Federation Annual General Meeting in 2015 as not to punish hunters and landowners who practise sustainable harvest, for example taking older mature animals and avoiding harvest of females, also known as quality deer management.

I understand many of you have hunted or plan to hunt in another country for example United States or South Africa, where game preserves are the only hope for sustainable wildlife populations and hunt ranches or farms as they are misleadingly called are an economic alternative to farming or cattle ranches.

I am of the opinion that wildlife is a public resource and as a member of the public, as a hunter and conservationist it is my duty to invest in the future of wildlife, hunting, and responsible long term use of the resource, in this case wildlife when the government clearly fails to do so.

If their are any other members present that share this long term conservation philosophy please consider investing along side me and know that you will be ensuring the survival of a species and the hunting heritage of generations to come.

Thank you for allowing me this opportunity to further explain my rationale and intentions behind the venture.

Yours in conservation,

Jeff
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BigUglyMan said:
Just...wow. Putting a fence around wildlife doesn't make it yours to do what you want with, flaunting Provincial game laws. The North American conservation model is completely different from European and African process and there would have to be . Sure, you can go to Texas an hunt exotics on 777 Ranch's 15,000 acres, but I would rather be hit in the nuts than hunt on a patch of ground 5 miles by 5 miles. Laurentian Wildlife Estate in Quebec and their1500 acres of red stag and whitetail is similar bull####. This country is almost 4 million square miles and most of it crown land, so you can take your 2 mile by 2 mile pasture and stuff it up your ass.
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Livestock, not wildlife.
 
MiG25 said:
Livestock, not wildlife.
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There are so many regulations around having species that are still found in the wild behind a fence that they have effectively created livestock. For example, every animal including any that are born need to be tagged with a federal and a provincial tag as well as CWD tested after any animal dies from any cause, natural or human caused (shot, etc). This makes it hard for true wilderness preserves to exist in Canada as the animals have interaction with humans from a young age as they must be tagged when they are young when the process is easier and less expensive.

In addition they are tested every 5 years for tuberculosis. It is true that captive herds of elk, deer and other animals are the cleanest herds in the world, as the incidence of disease is very, very rare and certainly lower than wild animals, as there is no way to effectively treat disease in the wild. Indeed, each animal in captivity represents a significant financial investment and any positive disease result would result in the destruction of the entire herd and the subsequent destruction of a livlihood.

Also, detailed records of animals and herds must be kept and the availability of these records helps to track very closely any movement of the animals between preserves for purposes such as breeding (introducing new herd genetics) or hunting. Indeed movement of so called captive wildlife is highly controlled and much more difficult than cattle or horses for example.

The distiction must be made between wildlife and animals of the same species that live in captivity (behind a fence or some other human controlled environment). Animals in a wilderness preserve are decendants or offspring of documented animals that have been born and bred under human controls in captivity so to speak. They are however not domestic in the sense that they have been bred for hundreds of generations to be docile and respond to human commands like dogs, cats or as food like cattle or pigs. And make no mistake, captive wildlife in wilderness preserves can be more "wild" than truly wild animals, for example elk in Banff National Park or bison in Yellowstone.

In any event, I am not opposed to thoughtful regulation, but regardless of your personal views, there can be no denying that truly wild life is going to need the help or forward thinking citizens if it is going to survive in a world controlled by humans. I do not pretend to think that animals behind a fence are wild but I cannot bare the thought of having no animals left even to put behind a fence.
 
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Evan thow I hate the idea of high fence hunting I think unchorn2 mean well enough
Growing up in northern BC it's hard Emagine hunting in a petting zoo JK
But I grown up Hatting fences one of the reasons on my holiday I go to the Yukon or Alaska no fences and good people that still have a wild spirit
I suppose if I had grown up on a farm I mite fell different but thank god I grown up in northern BC wear we are not restricted to hunting behind a fence
I get claustrophobic in the city and the same thing happened wen I'm surrounded by farmland and fences only difference is I like the county folks a lot more
 
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kodiakjack said:
Ok... so I guess there's some history there then. Sorry. Wasn't trying to dredge up old wounds.
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I see you post here regularily. Where the H have you been that you missed all the OP's posts and only now discovered his months old ad? Entertaining fella he is!! :rolleyes:

I would love to get together at camp with a bunch of the guys here, grab a cold beverage (and I don't drink but since this is a special occasion?!!) , sit down and have a good old fashioned discussion (laugh) about his posts and many of the comments that followed! Any takers? Superbrad? Hoyt? Chisholm?
 
the spank said:
I see you post here regularily. Where the H have you been that you missed all the OP's posts and only now discovered his months old ad? Entertaining fella he is!! :rolleyes:

I would love to get together at camp with a bunch of the guys here, grab a cold beverage (and I don't drink but since this is a special occasion?!!) , sit down and have a good old fashioned discussion (laugh) about his posts and many of the comments that followed! Any takers? Superbrad? Hoyt? Chisholm?
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Put Sunray on the agenda and I'm in.




Truth be told, I do vaguely recall a similar post a few years(?) back, but didn't put two and two together, as this fella only has a hundred or so posts. Typically the "entertaining" Nutterz have post counters that look like a gas pump whirling away.
 
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LOL...everything he posts suggests he's so far out of touch with reality that he's a lost cause, or he is simply posting to get people riled up for entertainment. I can't recall reading any of his posts where people could actually take him seriously.
 
the spank said:
I see you post here regularily. Where the H have you been that you missed all the OP's posts and only now discovered his months old ad? Entertaining fella he is!! :rolleyes:

I would love to get together at camp with a bunch of the guys here, grab a cold beverage (and I don't drink but since this is a special occasion?!!) , sit down and have a good old fashioned discussion (laugh) about his posts and many of the comments that followed! Any takers? Superbrad? Hoyt? Chisholm?
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I'm in, but surely we can come up with better conversation than that.
 
With a prime minister like the fool we have you guys feel it's necessary to pick on this guy....opinions are like #######s aye. So he's a dreamer. Move on #####s!
 
Come on guys, a perfectly good new topic to kick around for a few days that has nothing to do with shooting into space or "is my 577 t-rex big enough for black bear" and nobody wants to jump on the imagination train?

Seriously way to small of goals here.
Nobody really needs to live in Manitoba so we could all get together and petition the government and private investors to fence off the whole province as a game hunting/conservation zone. Preserving both hunters and game for the sake of future generations
 
the spank said:
I see you post here regularily. Where the H have you been that you missed all the OP's posts and only now discovered his months old ad? Entertaining fella he is!! :rolleyes:

I would love to get together at camp with a bunch of the guys here, grab a cold beverage (and I don't drink but since this is a special occasion?!!) , sit down and have a good old fashioned discussion (laugh) about his posts and many of the comments that followed! Any takers? Superbrad? Hoyt? Chisholm?
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Im in....if the invite extends my way of course!
 
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