The Record Holder once again...

Huh? This is a real head scratcher.

Turdeau military strategy.

No it is because it isn't our fight and they need to deal with it themselves. It is the same with the US role there now. Western Infantry are not leading the push. For Mosul it was the Iraqi army who did the actual entering of the city. The Pesh and Shia militias dealt with the villages outside and kept perimiter security. The west provides artillery, air strike coordination and overlook support. If this is verified to be true this is one of those situations.
The culture is quite complex and I suspect it will not be over for a good while if ISIS was dealt with tomorrow
 
Tom Mulcair raises red flags after Canadian sniper breaks record in Iraq

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sniper-iraq-combat-mission-mulcair-1.4175799?cmp=news-digests-canada-and-world-morning

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/3873400/Mulcair-to-Prime-Minister-on-Role-of-CF-in-Iraq.pdf

NDP Leader Tom Mulcair is foregoing the celebration and raising red flags following reports that a Canadian sniper in Iraq shattered the world record for the longest confirmed kill.

In a letter Friday to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Mulcair said the incident "seriously calls into question your government's claim that Canadian forces are not involved in direct combat in Iraq."

National Defence says the sniper is part of the Joint Task Force 2 special forces unit and was supporting Iraqi forces in their fight against the ISIS when he shot an enemy fighter from 3,540 metres away.

That is more than a kilometre farther than the previous record, held by a British sniper who shot a Taliban fighter in Afghanistan in 2009.

Officials have refused to provide any other details about the incident, including where and when it occurred, citing operational security. But they maintain that the soldier was operating within the established limits of Canada's so-called "advise and assist" mission in Iraq.

Those limits, however, have been repeatedly questioned over the course of the nearly four-year mission, with much of the debate revolving around whether Canadian soldiers are engaged in combat.

Questions over role

While news of the shot has spread like wildfire, prompting accolades and even disbelief from current and former military personnel around the world, Mulcair demanded Trudeau provide answers about the mission in Iraq.

"Will you now confirm that Canadian troops have engaged in ground combat since your government took office?" he wrote.

"Why have you not declared that the current military operation is now a combat mission? Why has there been no debate in the House of Commons regarding this change of mission?"

Opposition parties have repeatedly accused the Liberals of misleading the public about the nature of Canada's mission in Iraq by claiming that Canadian troops are not in combat.

That includes revelations three years ago that Canadian troops were calling in airstrikes on ISIS targets, and last November when it was revealed they could shoot in situations other than self-defence.

But National Defence spokesman Daniel Le Bouthillier stood by past assertions Friday that Canadian soldiers are not engaged in combat in Iraq, despite the record-breaking shot.

"Members of the Canadian Special Operations Task Force do not accompany leading combat elements, but enable the Iraqi security forces who are in a tough combat mission," he said.

"This takes the form of advice in planning for their operations and assistance to defeat (ISIS) through the use of coalition resources."

The latest controversy comes as the clock ticks down on the current mission in Iraq, whose mandate is set to expire next week.

The Liberals have said Canada will maintain a presence in Iraq and the fight against ISIS, though officials say no decision has been made on whether to extend the current mission or change it.

Canada has about 200 special forces operating in northern Iraq, including inside Mosul, supported by a combat hospital, a helicopter detachment, a military surveillance plane and an air-to-air refuelling aircraft.
 
Let's be honest assymetric warfare means a good chance that they may end up having to do a tad shooting. The difference is they may not go out looking for a fight but if challenged they will damn well give them a good what for
 
Let's be honest assymetric warfare means a good chance that they may end up having to do a tad shooting. The difference is they may not go out looking for a fight but if challenged they will damn well give them a good what for

Bang on. At 3.5 kilometres behind the Iraqi security forces "Frontline." They are not directly involved in the combat. But it says the shot probably saved some Iraqi forces lives. Do you just sit there and not take the shot? And in all honesty, imho, he probably knew it was a shot that had a very low chance of actually hitting the guy. But would probably be enough to deter him from his attack. Just suppressive fire.
And should we be involved there? I think we have to. With the mentality and utter barbarism of these ISIS scum. We had to help getting the Iraqis trained up and give them as much support as possible, without getting stuck in a quagmire. Can't sit back and watch a group like this have a safe area to operate, and billions in oil to fund them.
Will it bring peace to the Middle East? No, never. But I do agree, the US should have never went in there. Lets face it. There are dictators all over the place just as bad as Saddam was. If we are arrogant enough to think we can change the world, and that everyone wants to live by democracy and Western values. Then we are the fools. Truth is imho, there are big parts of the world that culturally just aren't ready for that yet. Let them go through the growing pains, and hell it took till we finally got there.
Just draw the line at letting them get nukes and turning the world into a radiated wasteland.
 
What you have been seeing is the undoing after the Ottoman empire was broken up a hundred years ago. The populace put God before country so when ISIS started moving in, the local Sunnis welcomed them as liberators. Technically the Kurds also follow a variant of Sunniism but different enough that it is too different for ISIS plus the Kurds have been living under the Saddam regime so long they aren't about to roll over for a new regime.
The Iraqi army was trained by the US problem was a lot of the soldiers who came up against ISIS refused to fight because of similar ideologies (remember the God before country I mentioned above).

Rumours on the intertubes is these guys have been playing overwatch for almost a month at that time and had been working up to that distance as they progressed( this coming from unofficial sources and definitely not Canadian)
Remember the role is assist, that would fall under the definition. They aren't getting themselves into the fray just sitting back and doing what they do and doing it well.

At this point my concern is twofold:
1. From the rumblings of some of the crap they are pulling on the local Sunnis populace there may end up being (yet) another civil war.
2. even though Iraq is living in denial I suspect when the dust settles Kurdistan is going to exist much to their chagrin and Turkey. How they react and the fallout of that is going to be messy.
 
I guarantee the shooter in his mind was not saying to himself... hell ya... I got this. He was saying... something like well I'll take the shot and hope for the best. Anything else would be unrealistic. In all reality he was probably just as surprized he hit the guy at that range as we were.

Great shot though... lucky or not it is admirable. He still did everything right to have made it and I'm not trying to take that away from him.
 
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Ok... out of curiosity... I checked out some ballistic data on JBM for a 3770 yard shot with a 50 cal hornady bullet

the first wildcard is the accuracy potential of the rifle... if its a 1 moa gun that would present a 39 inch group at 3770 yards, and this does not compensate for instability as the bullet went through the transonic range at about 2000 yards.. this would certainly cause some additional directional uncertainty.

since muzzle velocity is not consistent a 20 fps muzzle velocity difference would be 11.75 feet of vertical at 3770
so just between these two unpredictable factors we have a groups size of almost 16 vertical feet by almost 4 feet wide

now a 1 mph wind speed is 72 inches of wind drift at that distance making the group size at least 6 feet wider
now we have a groups size of at least 10 feet wide and 16 feet high

spin drift is calculated to be 22 feet at that distance, but that is theoretical and I'm not sure how much variance the would be on this, but there would be some unpredictability here too but I'll leave this one out

a 5 degree temperature change would equal 9 vertical feet of trajectory which cannot be determined across such a distance but even half of that is still 4.5 feet
now our groups is 20.5 feet high and 10 feet wide

if we begin to consider the rotation of the earth over 8.4 seconds of flight time... at least this can be calculated and predictable.

then there's light refraction which would be at least 1 moa and could be either vertical or horizontal that's another 39 inches
our group size is now 24 vertical feet and at least 14 feet wide.

Keep in mind that 14 feet wide is a very conservative number. I've seen guys miss targets at 1000 yards by as much in tricky winds. Realistically at least triple that would be more realistic because winds pick up, let off, swirl and change directions many times over 3770 yards.

Certainly there are even more variables, but I think this makes the point...

The best trigger puller in the world could fire 50 shots back to back under these conditions and never hit a person standing in the middle of this space because all the skill in the world could not compensate for these variables.... its a lottery ticket at this point.

Skill could hit a large three story house at such a distance, but only luck could hit a person in it.
 
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When the Americans left ISiS promptly took over over half the country. I think we can all agree the world is better off now that their Caliphate is on the way out.

Hate to break it to you....but the caliphate isn't dying....it is simply moving west.
If current trends continue, we (white Canadians) will be at only 20% by the end of the century. By 2050 German Males between the age of 25 and 30 will also be a minority in their own country.
I don't mean to be rude, but please don't kid yourself. This is far from over...and it's only going to get worse.

This guy is a legend. I can't even remotely imagine even attempting a shot like this. Broke by over a kilometer!!
 
Hate to break it to you....but the caliphate isn't dying....it is simply moving west.
If current trends continue, we (white Canadians) will be at only 20% by the end of the century. By 2050 German Males between the age of 25 and 30 will also be a minority in their own country.
I don't mean to be rude, but please don't kid yourself. This is far from over...and it's only going to get worse.

This guy is a legend. I can't even remotely imagine even attempting a shot like this. Broke by over a kilometer!!

Well that is a bit racist of you! I don't agree with your wording but 100% on sentiment.

Many good patriotic conservative Canadian are non White's. I absolutely do not believe immigration is the problem. But I do believe immigration from Islamic country is. To me it is not that all Islam is bad or even that most are bad, but that predominantly it is a culture that refuse to assimilate and those that are bad get radicalized very easily. To add to the problem since they don't assimilate they prefer to congragate together and form getto. There they can speak there languages and run mini local shariah law and that tend to worsen the problem. Now not all immigrants are like that, some are good hearted hard working people! But the problem is we don't hear much denonciation from them.

After all how much do you hear from Japanese people creating havoc and strapping bomb on themself in Paris? How many Australian go to London to to wage war on the infidel? ....that is what I thought

The problem is that wen we migrate it is in search of a better life to a place we love or WANT to love and we ASSIMILATE to there custome and respect the local tradition!

It comes down to a simple fact, go live were you are happy! You don't like the USA, Canada, France, UK, Germany, etc??? Then go back to your country and STOP TRYING TO MAKE HERE LIKE IT WAS THERE!

*** This message is brought to you by a NON white Canadian born and raise***
 
Well that is a bit racist of you! I don't agree with your wording but 100% on sentiment.

Many good patriotic conservative Canadian are non White's. I absolutely do not believe immigration is the problem. But I do believe immigration from Islamic country is. To me it is not that all Islam is bad or even that most are bad, but that predominantly it is a culture that refuse to assimilate and those that are bad get radicalized very easily. To add to the problem since they don't assimilate they prefer to congragate together and form getto. There they can speak there languages and run mini local shariah law and that tend to worsen the problem. Now not all immigrants are like that, some are good hearted hard working people! But the problem is we don't hear much denonciation from them.

After all how much do you hear from Japanese people creating havoc and strapping bomb on themself in Paris? How many Australian go to London to to wage war on the infidel? ....that is what I thought

The problem is that wen we migrate it is in search of a better life to a place we love or WANT to love and we ASSIMILATE to there custome and respect the local tradition!

It comes down to a simple fact, go live were you are happy! You don't like the USA, Canada, France, UK, Germany, etc??? Then go back to your country and STOP TRYING TO MAKE HERE LIKE IT WAS THERE!

*** This message is brought to you by a NON white Canadian born and raise***

Very well spoken sir!!! This may just be the best piece of truth I have ever read on here.
 
Well that is a bit racist of you! I don't agree with your wording but 100% on sentiment.

Many good patriotic conservative Canadian are non White's. I absolutely do not believe immigration is the problem. But I do believe immigration from Islamic country is. To me it is not that all Islam is bad or even that most are bad, but that predominantly it is a culture that refuse to assimilate and those that are bad get radicalized very easily. To add to the problem since they don't assimilate they prefer to congragate together and form getto. There they can speak there languages and run mini local shariah law and that tend to worsen the problem. Now not all immigrants are like that, some are good hearted hard working people! But the problem is we don't hear much denonciation from them.

After all how much do you hear from Japanese people creating havoc and strapping bomb on themself in Paris? How many Australian go to London to to wage war on the infidel? ....that is what I thought

The problem is that wen we migrate it is in search of a better life to a place we love or WANT to love and we ASSIMILATE to there custome and respect the local tradition!

It comes down to a simple fact, go live were you are happy! You don't like the USA, Canada, France, UK, Germany, etc??? Then go back to your country and STOP TRYING TO MAKE HERE LIKE IT WAS THERE!

*** This message is brought to you by a NON white Canadian born and raise***

I didn't mean it to be racist at all. merely pointing out a fact.
 
Well that is a bit racist of you! I don't agree with your wording but 100% on sentiment.

Many good patriotic conservative Canadian are non White's. I absolutely do not believe immigration is the problem. But I do believe immigration from Islamic country is. To me it is not that all Islam is bad or even that most are bad, but that predominantly it is a culture that refuse to assimilate and those that are bad get radicalized very easily. To add to the problem since they don't assimilate they prefer to congragate together and form getto. There they can speak there languages and run mini local shariah law and that tend to worsen the problem. Now not all immigrants are like that, some are good hearted hard working people! But the problem is we don't hear much denonciation from them.

After all how much do you hear from Japanese people creating havoc and strapping bomb on themself in Paris? How many Australian go to London to to wage war on the infidel? ....that is what I thought

The problem is that wen we migrate it is in search of a better life to a place we love or WANT to love and we ASSIMILATE to there custome and respect the local tradition!

It comes down to a simple fact, go live were you are happy! You don't like the USA, Canada, France, UK, Germany, etc??? Then go back to your country and STOP TRYING TO MAKE HERE LIKE IT WAS THERE!

*** This message is brought to you by a NON white Canadian born and raise***

This sounds disturbingly as though you are speaking on behalf of all immigrants.

While I feel your attitude is correct and well intended, it would be quite an error to project such beliefs upon all immigrants.

There are immigrants who come here and then try to make us accommodate their culture and make it here just like the old country.
 
There are immigrants who come here and then try to make us accommodate their culture and make it here just like the old country

Isn't that what I just said?

Then go back to your country and STOP TRYING TO MAKE HERE LIKE IT WAS THERE!#
 
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