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Too much pandering to the lowest common denominator. Someone unable to carry out actions safely and is unwilling to learn should try one of many other shooting sports.
My IPSC Experience
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Cameron SS
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Its funny to me how many IPSC shooters think their shooting sport is some how special with regards to safety to or motor skills, and invite their lessers to try other shooting sports. No shooting sport is particularly tolerant of bad attitudes and safety violations.
Anyone who can't carry out actions safely and is unwilling to learn should try a different sport altogether.
Totally agreed. Something like Checkmate or Draughts (checkers)......
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What about ISU / ISSF? It's a shooting sport - but it doesn't require holster technique, movement technique, reloading, etc.
There are often even walls on other side of the shooting bay to prevent a 90 degree violation.
Something someone less able to grasp the safety aspects of action shooting might be able to do.
Maybe other similar static shooting events. PPC, Cowboy (I think it's mainly static), Skeet, Trap?
Don't read too much into the "go play elsewhere" - it's not directed at whatever your favorite sport is. It's just "elsewhere..."
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Cameron SS
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Elsewhere from your favourite sport, and you could care less where they end up?
With respect, this is precisely the arrogance I was talking about. The belief that IPSC and the black badge represents some special mastery of advanced skills not inherent in all firearms use.
All shooting sports require loading, handling, and moving of firearms. Holstering a firearm is about as complicated as putting a phone in your pocket: Not beyond the skills of your average child. Movement? Millions of hunters, including tens of thousands of children, safely carry loaded firearms in the woods annually, without issue. 90 degree violations will get you a safety violation at virtually every shooting sport event. And once again, all firearms are dangerous, and misdirected shots from any one of them has the capacity for serious bodily harm or death. In my opinion, there is no such thing as unsafe for IPSC, but safe for any of the other shooting sports.
I apologize in advance if I read too much into "go play elsewhere".
Millions of hunters are not running as fast as they can trying to get somewhere faster than all of the other hunters, and trying to reload on the way and keeping an eye out for the place where they have to stop.
Every additional task you add to a "simple" task makes it that much more complicated. Why do you think you're not supposed to talk on your cell phone? Driving is simple. Add talking on your phone, or driving at higher speeds, or inclement weather, and each additional challenge increases the difficulty substantially.
Every additional task you add to a "simple" task makes it that much more complicated. Why do you think you're not supposed to talk on your cell phone? Driving is simple. Add talking on your phone, or driving at higher speeds, or inclement weather, and each additional challenge increases the difficulty substantially.
Runningfool
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That sounds a touch arrogant, especially considering the op...have you considered a career in ipsc?
Cameron SS
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That sounds a touch arrogant...have you considered a career in ipsc?
Good one. I would concede that it is a bit arrogant, were it not for the fact that I have watched my children for years draw and holster a variety of gun shaped objects, including actual firearms, without ever having a negligent discharge.
Well seems like the OP couldn't handle holstering his cell phone then!
Worst that could happen it could end up dialing someone or even cracking the screen.
Do your kids offer training? I think they can offer their expertise: http://london.ctvnews.ca/rcmp-officer-hurt-after-accidentally-shooting-self-1.2102350
tommy tong
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....skills of an average child u say
Try drawing ur gun without snagging ur spandex jersy while ur other squad mates r trying to pat ur ass cause ur pants r spandex also
That's why I wear a drop leg holster to ipsc matches now
Also cause I like the feel of the strap around my thigh ass area
Try drawing ur gun without snagging ur spandex jersy while ur other squad mates r trying to pat ur ass cause ur pants r spandex also
That's why I wear a drop leg holster to ipsc matches now
Also cause I like the feel of the strap around my thigh ass area
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The fundamental rules behind firearms handling are universal, be it plinking at the range, bullseye shooting, ISSF style shooting, or IPSC - but IPSC does add an element of dynamic movement and time pressure that doesn't exist in many other shooting sports. Long range precision rifle shooting means that you bench your rifle, load it up without moving, firing your shots, unloading, packing up, and going home. Even though that is grossly over-simplified (love you precision guys), there is less intricate movement or dynamic and timed actions to take. Hence, I would easily say that the discipline is less demanding of motor skill than IPSC is.
If there was a shooting sport requiring shooting things while on a unicycle and juggling multiple handguns, I'd say that requires more motor skills than IPSC does. Wouldn't that be fair to say?
I completely agree with your issue with bad attitudes and safety violations. Absolutely. It's just that there are certain sports that have a higher degree of requirement for motor skills, especially under stress.
Someone physically incapable of playing ice hockey shouldn't be calling for a review of rules to make the sport accessible to them. They could however, potentially still go skating. I recognize this example doesn't factor in safety considerations, but the analogy can still apply for dynamic shooting (be it IPSC/IDPA/3 gun etc) vs something like ISSF small bore.
Nothing against your specific sport at all.
Cameron SS
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Their usefulness as instructors would be of dubious value. Despite their proficiency with the fast draw, they are prone to pointing their (toy) firearms at people, carrying them with intent to disturb their mother's peace, carrying concealed, and a host of other crimes. The oldest is starting to demonstrate an responsible understanding of the difference between real and play, but he would still be at least a decade away from being instructor worthy.
I took my Black Badge course a few months ago and passed. I'm over 65 and shoot major, rather than those small calibre popguns. I have a Ghost ulimate holster, but chose to use one of those unfortunate plastic things for the course because I knew I could holster it without problems, no matter how flustered I might become during the course of fire. I had and have no particular interest in actually competing, but did want to improve my skills so I am not a danger to myself or those around me.
My instructor was most helpful and worked with me to improve my grip, aim and stance. All in all, a most educational and entertaining several days. I did figure out that the only way I would be competitive in the sport would be with a revolver in the over 65 class. By a coincidence, I've tuned up my GP100 and Soully Canadian made me a very nice holster that works well with my competition belt and speed loader pouches.
My instructor was most helpful and worked with me to improve my grip, aim and stance. All in all, a most educational and entertaining several days. I did figure out that the only way I would be competitive in the sport would be with a revolver in the over 65 class. By a coincidence, I've tuned up my GP100 and Soully Canadian made me a very nice holster that works well with my competition belt and speed loader pouches.
Ok so I've taken a severe beating on this thread for my comments on my past IPSC experience. I've done some serious soul searching and have decided to give it another go. Obviously it will take me some time to prepare myself for the BB course and can only hope that all goes well.
crazyjackrabbit
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Good stuff, best of luck to you.
Best of luck and my beginner advise and what I did was think mainly safety the first few days. I had a good few FTE (failure to engage) my first and second match mainly because I was more concerned about getting the feel for the game. Now as I said in my previous post it's getting fun and I have only shot 5 or six matches.
Like my black badge instructor said to me. It's the most fun you can have with your clothes on!!
