Just asking, OP, have you tried a really good single stage trigger. I have several rifles that have triggers so good, you know exactly when they will go off, and the consistency is amazing. Try out a GOOD single stage rifle trigger before you get too caught up in having to have a 2-stager.
Bolt Action with 2 stage trigger from factory?
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sharp shooter
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That new Winchester MOA trigger is awesome too
Mount Sweetness
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It sounds like you've never shot a gun with a decent trigger.
"Here is my gripe with single stage triggers ... or at least those that I tried (H&R, Rem 870, Baikal). I just don't know when they will break and release the shot."
You list ONLY guns that have crappy, heavy, creepy triggers. You seriously need to get behind a PREMIUM single stage trigger to understand how predictable these are in their crisp break. I had a H & R rifle with a 10lb trigger, creepy as hell. If you are listing the above as your only references to centerfire triggers, then I see how you yearn for what you had in your air rifle. Remington doesn't have a good shotgun trigger. It just isn't. As for Baikal, the Russians never cared for "sissy triggers", and reliability trumps ergonomics everytime with those guys.
mastermind
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CZ has the SST on the 453, 527 and 550. The trigger on my CZ 527 is by far one of the best I've experienced.
I have a Weatherby Vanguard 2. The trigger is very easy to adjust and breaks crisp. I had to adjust mine a bit lighter than factory setting, but its great that you can adjust it to suit you. Overall the rifle is great, the stock leaves something to be desired, but like the other posters mentioned it is a budget rifle.
I also have a Model 70. The trigger is also great on that after adjustment. The only thing I could say that is not so great is that the weatherby trigger is easier to adjust more efficiently than the one on the Model 70.
Good luck!
Just so you know, some Canadian Tire stores have Weatherby Vanguard 2s in various calibers for under $600.
If you don't like the stock you could always buy a B&C...still well under your max budget stated in the OPs original post.
Reliably shoots sub moa any day of the week!
I also have a Model 70. The trigger is also great on that after adjustment. The only thing I could say that is not so great is that the weatherby trigger is easier to adjust more efficiently than the one on the Model 70.
Good luck!
Just so you know, some Canadian Tire stores have Weatherby Vanguard 2s in various calibers for under $600.
If you don't like the stock you could always buy a B&C...still well under your max budget stated in the OPs original post.
Reliably shoots sub moa any day of the week!
Thanks for the thoughts everyone .... I am realizing, I have to actually put my hands on a rifle with a good single stage trigger and actually shoot it to see what it is like. And yes, I have to get a Timney trigger for my 870s.
But I have to say the Weatherby Vanguard sounds interesting.
Has anybody here had a bad experience with a Weatherby Vanguard? Just curious ....
But I have to say the Weatherby Vanguard sounds interesting.
Has anybody here had a bad experience with a Weatherby Vanguard? Just curious ....
The triggers that you are using are crap, which is no surprise considering the firearms that you mention.Tikka has one of the best triggers for the price on a factory rifle.
I have 3 (have had my 300winmag Howa for 11 or more years. My biggest go-to gun for all that time......same gun different brand stamp as Weatherby has Howa of Japan make their vanguard)
My .223 with the standard plastic stock is pretty light (7.25lbs) but some of the bigger calibers with alternate stocks can make them a little heavy. My Howa 1500 lightning 300winmag with the Hogue rubberized stock is 9.25lbs and I prefer to use it from either my boat or truck. I have much lighter rifles for hand carry.
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...really? Never heard that one before...excuse me while I run to my safe to confirm
Between myself and friends we have 9 vanguards, Series 1 and 2 in various calibres. Since we've had them....say 8 or 9 years, I haven't heard of or observed a single issue. These are well made rifles, amazing shooters and just an all round good deal. Go shoulder one at your local GS and see for yourself. With these rifles, my experience is that if it is comfortable and fits you, then you will have no problems.
I took my .223rem Vanguard out last night and shot 3 different kinds of ammo at 100 yards. I have a 3-9x42 Redfield scope and was using a bipod. This is a series 2 gun with the 1/9" twist rate. 24" barrel. (also able to wring out maximum velocity from the round)
The Wolf 55gr HP Steel case ammo shot 2" groups consistently. Pretty crappy ammo. High pressure signs on the primer. Primer flow into firing pin hole. Very flattened. Only shot 2 groups then decided that it would not be worth it so I will keep that ammo for my AR15 in 5.56nato. (looser chamber)
Winchester 55gr FMJ shot 4 five-shot groups from 1.5" to 2". Not bad for cheap target ammo.
Winchester 45gr HP White box (econo box-40round box) This is where it gets good. First group was 0.6" for five-shot group. The next 5 groups all were between 1/2" and 0.9". Holy Moly, I can't wait to reload a big pile of ammo for this gun. It really likes the light bullets so far. There is no better feeling than buying a budget rifle for less than $500 and have it shoot a 1/2" group with factory ammo. I have 4 different types of bullets to reload in this gun. I can't wait!!!!
The Wolf 55gr HP Steel case ammo shot 2" groups consistently. Pretty crappy ammo. High pressure signs on the primer. Primer flow into firing pin hole. Very flattened. Only shot 2 groups then decided that it would not be worth it so I will keep that ammo for my AR15 in 5.56nato. (looser chamber)
Winchester 55gr FMJ shot 4 five-shot groups from 1.5" to 2". Not bad for cheap target ammo.
Winchester 45gr HP White box (econo box-40round box) This is where it gets good. First group was 0.6" for five-shot group. The next 5 groups all were between 1/2" and 0.9". Holy Moly, I can't wait to reload a big pile of ammo for this gun. It really likes the light bullets so far. There is no better feeling than buying a budget rifle for less than $500 and have it shoot a 1/2" group with factory ammo. I have 4 different types of bullets to reload in this gun. I can't wait!!!!
BigUglyMan
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He already said that when he cited his list of triggers tried.
But...when I was doing a lot of competition rimfire shooting I went from a 2-stage Anschutz 64 to a single-stage Anschutz 54. I found that being so used to the two stage trigger I had a hard time switching to the super light M54 trigger. In the end I made the switch fine, but if you're used to one style of trigger, the other can pose some problems for a while. Compound that with only using crappy triggers and I can see why his opinion is jaded.
Two stage triggers are mostly the domain of European rifles nowadays. The fell out of favour with Americans and have never come back to mainstream acceptance...much like 8mm bullets.
BigUglyMan, thank you!
And yes ... you are right .... European! That air rifle from 30 years ago with the 2 stage trigger ... it was a Diana air rifle from Germany ...
