Who is buying a Type81?

Kingjenky said:
This is the t81 thread where we all can discuss our thoughts and opinions of all aspects of the 81 !!!! I don't think that's trolling.
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The thread is "who's buying" not "who's a whiny beotch ad nauseam" but those distinct traits and their posters became abundantly clear a long time ago.
 
Mantis said:
Its those who are not getting one who are the worst trolls in this thread.
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Actually, for the record, I AM going to be getting one - just as soon as TI states they have laid real eyes on actually produced rifles and that they are being loaded on a ship. Until then, it's a risk I'm not going to entertain any further.
 
i will buy one when they will be in Canada and if the reviews are good ... so far the ones that advanced the money are anxious to be right and the ones that didnt are not so anxious if they are wrong ... i can see really a use for that rifle as the cz for winter purpose mostly but if it appears that it never shown up or the quality is not there then i didnt loose money or sleep ...
 
Yawn, yawn, and yawn. Nor sure why the guys who are not buying think those that have are interested in their reasoning why not. Narcissism perhaps?? no one really cares about your chest thumping in an effort to justify paying your bills du jour. We get it, some want to slide in on the coattails of others then claim high ground regardless how it works out. Whatever, do you think a purchase order for these rifles would be fulfilled if not one person paid up front??
 
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Jaylegger said:
Yawn, yawn, and yawn. Nor sure why the guys who are not buying think those that have are interested in their reasoning why not. Narcissism perhaps?? no one really cares about your chest thumping in an effort to justify paying your bills du jour. We get it, some want to slide in on the coattails of others then claim high ground regardless how it works out. Whatever,
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I don't think you quite understand what is motivating the skeptics. This is not a new thing for TI. Many of us got sucked in with the SG542 and got burned badly paying more on pre-order to see another dealer sweep in a year before TI got inventory and actually sell cheaper than TI's "discounted pre-order".

TI has a less than ideal track record with these things, and it's a morbid curiosity to watch them continue to drop the ball again and again.
 
I've never put anyone on ignore, I'd rather tell those people they're being annoying, short-sighted, and juvenile.
 
Claven2 said:
I don't think you quite understand what is motivating the skeptics. This is not a new thing for TI. Many of us got sucked in with the SG542 and got burned badly paying more on pre-order to see another dealer sweep in a year before TI got inventory and actually sell cheaper than TI's "discounted pre-order".

TI has a less than ideal track record with these things, and it's a morbid curiosity to watch them continue to drop the ball again and again.
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That's the risk one takes, sometimes it works out sometimes not. You lost a small amount of money whipdeedoo or is it more the pride thing or the need to save others from themselves? Without the interest garnered around the pre-orders and the competitive market that interest creates within the industry I highly doubt these products would ever come to Canada, at least not anywhere close to the same time-frame.
 
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GUB said:
The guns are either in the system for a production run ? Or Not?
How can you have a target arrival date with no production date???
So TI was hoping for a production date and never should have misled us by setting a arrival date!!
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They did NOT set an arrival date. They offered a PROJECTED target date.
 
kykamo said:
Claven's just saying that you could have invested that 1200$, however you wanted, for the last year. Then still buy the gun and keep your earnings. That's the difference between 1200 out THEN and 1200 out NOW/when they get here. And "fighting to order" doesn't seem like it will be the case to me imo. Someone on here said that they still have 400 left to preorder. I'm not sure if that means only 400 left in the whole order or if the preorder is special stock. Would have been nice if TI told us how many are coming (as far I I know they haven't). Perhaps that was a marketing trick to get the preorders. Who knows, TI ain't saying much
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they stated exactly 1000 rifles, 500 fixed and 500 folding, and they did state also as someone mentioned that the factory in question has no intention on producing any more for at least a couple years...now I don't imagine it will be as crazy as wolverine's uts-15 sale that basically crashed their webstore, but I imagine when TI posts pics of the shipment, the number of preorders will jump up significantly, if not sell out...that would not surprise me...if it would surprise you, then you underestimate the hype that still exists, regardless of the "misleading" and "lying" which I must have missed...I highly doubt many people who wait for these to be in country will actually get one...but that's just me.

So you can bet unless TI got their mitts on more than 1000 units, it will be unlikely to see more than that in the foreseeable future.

If another importer can bring them in, great, but the only other player in the game I know of had their version of the type 81 deemed prohibited, and seeing how TI's sample was in the lab for over 3 years, my bet is these will be fairly rare, at least for a couple years...like I said, in the interest of being guaranteed to own one should they arrive, I made the better business decision...
 
cranswick said:
they stated exactly 1000 rifles, 500 fixed and 500 folding, and they did state also as someone mentioned that the factory in question has no intention on producing any more for at least a couple years...now I don't imagine it will be as crazy as wolverine's uts-15 sale that basically crashed their webstore, but I imagine when TI posts pics of the shipment, the number of preorders will jump up significantly, if not sell out...that would not surprise me...if it would surprise you, then you underestimate the hype that still exists, regardless of the "misleading" and "lying" which I must have missed...I highly doubt many people who wait for these to be in country will actually get one...but that's just me.

So you can bet unless TI got their mitts on more than 1000 units, it will be unlikely to see more than that in the foreseeable future.

If another importer can bring them in, great, but the only other player in the game I know of had their version of the type 81 deemed prohibited, and seeing how TI's sample was in the lab for over 3 years, my bet is these will be fairly rare, at least for a couple years...like I said, in the interest of being guaranteed to own one should they arrive, I made the better business decision...
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Again, if you take their word as gospel and ignore all the #### ups they made with the 542 pre-order, and the panic buying tactics they continue to use to keep your pre-order money in their pocket despite guns still being vaporware, sure those numbers might be true, but with their past history of #### ups I doubt there is any truth to anything they say. Usually a history of bull#### is a good indicator for the level of trust to put in some current bull####. I also doubt the Chinese would get out of bed for a 1000 unit order, and if this is actually tagged on to a larger military order, guess who will be getting the "rejects" from the larger order.
I also guarantee that 50% of people buying these will be flipping them within a month. The vast majority of shooters on here won't be able to hit paper at 100m, at least from the posts I've seen on here with "groups" shot at 25 and 50m with more accurate rigs then this. With no optics option, the novelty will wear off quickly for those who lack shooting discipline.
The T97 was much hyped, turned out to be a bag of ####, whose retail price dropped from $1100 to the current $700 they are now, all while our dollar dropped 30% which almost seems impossible, but here we are.
So yeah, I have absolutely no worries at all about waiting until there are guns in country and we see what the QC is like before shelling out over $1000. Being first to have one means zip to me, means nothing except you paid a premium to have it due to lack of self control.
My 2 cent prediction....end of July TI says they inspected them and they were not "up to their high standards" BUT the Chinese feel bad and will be doing a special run just for them some time in the next 6 months...let more waiting commence.
 
I know a few guys waiting for the inspection to go through and if all goes well, will jump on a preorder. But they only know about this rifle because I told them about it. They aren't too invested in this site. Perhaps I'm underestimating the amount of people on cgn that would be interested in the rifle and are monitoring these threads, but I think/am hoping that everyone who is monitoring these rifle status closely will get one. I really need at least one of my buddies to get one, so I can shoot it;)

Thanks for the numbers update tho. I don't remember reading that.
 
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As an aside, the "there won't be any more for 3 years" thing is absolutely unbelievable to me. It's a sales tactic, nothing more. The same sales tactic they used for the SG542. Verbatim.

The factory may have told them that based on an unimpressive order quantity, I have no doubt. If this gun becomes the next Norinco CQ-A and demand far exceeds availability, someone with more capital than TI will bring in some containers full. That's how capitalism works, even in China. Ask Marstar how much stock anyone should put into a Chinese promise that you can be the exclusive distributor of their wares.

I laughed so hard when TI made that exclusivity claim. I'm laughing now as I type this. Sure... they will respect that IP agreement. Absolutely. Just sign right here, Nick-San.
 
It puzzles me how the guy's that have shelled out a $1000 on a promise, have decided that the 81 is going to be the best ever and surely worth more then they paid for it..because they say so..
Then of course we are all trolls by wanting to see a real functioning rifle landed in Canada
 
the only other Q I have, besides AK47 mag fitting, is how technologically behind we are compared to China if a simple type 81 style cannot be made in Canada?
The other day I was trying to get a long Tokarev barrel and guess what-all , I repeat ALL barrel manufacturers/ gunsmiths in Canada refuse to do it as "technologically complex".
In US many small companies can do it, but afraid of import/ export bureaucracy....
I am not angry even anymore, I am very very sad: instead of investing money into PhD in "women's studies", zero feedback "humanitarian missions" etc, Canada, being the richest country in the World from resources/ per capita standpoint, could invest in real market, manufacturing and technology... sad, very sad
 
Hitzy said:
Again, if you take their word as gospel and ignore all the #### ups they made with the 542 pre-order, and the panic buying tactics they continue to use to keep your pre-order money in their pocket despite guns still being vaporware, sure those numbers might be true, but with their past history of #### ups I doubt there is any truth to anything they say. Usually a history of bull#### is a good indicator for the level of trust to put in some current bull####. I also doubt the Chinese would get out of bed for a 1000 unit order, and if this is actually tagged on to a larger military order, guess who will be getting the "rejects" from the larger order.
I also guarantee that 50% of people buying these will be flipping them within a month. The vast majority of shooters on here won't be able to hit paper at 100m, at least from the posts I've seen on here with "groups" shot at 25 and 50m with more accurate rigs then this. With no optics option, the novelty will wear off quickly for those who lack shooting discipline.
The T97 was much hyped, turned out to be a bag of ####, whose retail price dropped from $1100 to the current $700 they are now, all while our dollar dropped 30% which almost seems impossible, but here we are.
So yeah, I have absolutely no worries at all about waiting until there are guns in country and we see what the QC is like before shelling out over $1000. Being first to have one means zip to me, means nothing except you paid a premium to have it due to lack of self control.
My 2 cent prediction....end of July TI says they inspected them and they were not "up to their high standards" BUT the Chinese feel bad and will be doing a special run just for them some time in the next 6 months...let more waiting commence.
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stop trolling ....
 
GUB said:
It puzzles me how the guy's that have shelled out a $1000 on a promise, have decided that the 81 is going to be the best ever and surely worth more then they paid for it..because they say so..
Then of course we are all trolls by wanting to see a real functioning rifle landed in Canada
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I don't recall anyone every saying that strawman. Seems like most of you just like curb crawling these forums looking to pick up an argument.
 
GUB said:
HHAAHH!! New member for a few months. Personal insults.. I can see you in PINK shortly
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Ya'll need to relax, no one here is going out of their way to slag those who wish to quietly wait for a rifle to appear on these shores prior to purchasing. Some have prepaid, why do you care. I doubt you're in either camp.
 
Hitzy said:
Again, if you take their word as gospel and ignore all the #### ups they made with the 542 pre-order, and the panic buying tactics they continue to use to keep your pre-order money in their pocket despite guns still being vaporware, sure those numbers might be true, but with their past history of #### ups I doubt there is any truth to anything they say. Usually a history of bull#### is a good indicator for the level of trust to put in some current bull####. I also doubt the Chinese would get out of bed for a 1000 unit order, and if this is actually tagged on to a larger military order, guess who will be getting the "rejects" from the larger order.
I also guarantee that 50% of people buying these will be flipping them within a month. The vast majority of shooters on here won't be able to hit paper at 100m, at least from the posts I've seen on here with "groups" shot at 25 and 50m with more accurate rigs then this. With no optics option, the novelty will wear off quickly for those who lack shooting discipline.
The T97 was much hyped, turned out to be a bag of ####, whose retail price dropped from $1100 to the current $700 they are now, all while our dollar dropped 30% which almost seems impossible, but here we are.
So yeah, I have absolutely no worries at all about waiting until there are guns in country and we see what the QC is like before shelling out over $1000. Being first to have one means zip to me, means nothing except you paid a premium to have it due to lack of self control.
My 2 cent prediction....end of July TI says they inspected them and they were not "up to their high standards" BUT the Chinese feel bad and will be doing a special run just for them some time in the next 6 months...let more waiting commence.
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More "I heard" hearsay....about as reliable as those posts claiming to have secret insider information that the rifles were not being made at all. Considering that there are exactly ONE of these rifles in circulation in the country and the handful in the US were made in .223 and no actual mags were ever made for them, I call bull#### on poor accuracy claims.
 
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