Deer challenge this year... coach gun :)

canadian hunter312 said:
OP, don't listen to the naysayers. Just practice with your gun to see how it shoots and if the POI is too far off between barrels just stick with using one and learn where it shoots. Practice, practice and practice some more. There are many examples of hunting tools being used by hunters when there are more accurate and modern tools available.

Why use smooth bores with slugs when there are rifled barrels and sabots available which double your effective range?
Why use a long bow when you can use a modern compound?
Why use iron sites when a modern optic typically increases range and accuracy?
Why use a flintlock when you can use a new muzzle loader which quadruples your effective range?

Because you can.
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Can he?...... yet to see that.....
 
I've taken a couple of does with an old Husquarna SxS double 12, with the barrels cut down to 19 inches and a set of fibre optic sights screwed onto the rib. Accuracy is plenty good enough out to about 80 yards using Federal Truball slugs (which I haven't seen around lately, so I hope they are still available). More importantly, the barrels shoot to the same POA at least that far. One barrel shoots about a 4-inch group, the other about 6-inches, and the two overlap to the point where they appear as one group.

I went through probably a dozen or more inexpensive SxS guns to find this one. None were new, mostly well-used Euro guns bought or traded for at gunshows. Several were accurate, but the barrels didn't shoot anywhere close to one another. This one came to me with longer barrels (28 inches, I think...), and after I saw how well it performed I worked up the courage to cut it down. It's a very cool toy.

Basically, it was luck of the draw. I found my accurate slug gun the same way I eventually found my accurate Norc M305; buy, try, sell, repeat. Eventually the stars align and you hit paydirt. :)
 
Superbrad said:
Fair enough...... we get a lot of these threads in here, and oddly enough, I never see the results of the OP's practice and how they have become "proficient enough"...... if Op comes back and posts 10 consecutive hits on an 8" pie plate at 75 yards, then he certainly has my thumbs up...... but until then it's a bunch of "I think" and "what if".... in fact he doesn't yet even know that the gun can do that, let alone himself at this point....
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Probably OP can figure that out for himself, but yeah, it's a big IF. It's a lot harder to use a bead sight than most people realize and it's luck of the draw if a smoothbore shotgun shoots anywhere close to aim at that distance anyway.
 
When I recover from tendon surgery in my left hand I'll get right on it... and revive this thread if it's dead. I'll start shooting again when there's no fear of the tendons pulling apart.


Superbrad said:
Fair enough...... we get a lot of these threads in here, and oddly enough, I never see the results of the OP's practice and how they have become "proficient enough"...... if Op comes back and posts 10 consecutive hits on an 8" pie plate at 75 yards, then he certainly has my thumbs up...... but until then it's a bunch of "I think" and "what if".... in fact he doesn't yet even know that the gun can do that, let alone himself at this point....
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canadian hunter312 said:
OP, don't listen to the naysayers. Just practice with your gun to see how it shoots and if the POI is too far off between barrels just stick with using one and learn where it shoots. Practice, practice and practice some more. There are many examples of hunting tools being used by hunters when there are more accurate and modern tools available.

Why use smooth bores with slugs when there are rifled barrels and sabots available which double your effective range?
Why use a long bow when you can use a modern compound?
Why use iron sites when a modern optic typically increases range and accuracy?
Why use a flintlock when you can use a new muzzle loader which quadruples your effective range?

Because you can.
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:agree: And I like this answer best!!
 
Gday mate,
I can totally understand what you're wanting to do, ive done the same Regarding open levers and cast bullets, I also wsa in the market for a 25-20 or something similar to make littlee noise but kill (fallow) deer within 100m and often closer.


One just has to realise their own limit, no iffy stuff only certain range and the right shot.. very easy if one can hold off on the iffy shot.. because otherwise you walk out of the bush without a deer, and no deer run off being injured.. everyones happy.

IF a bow hunter can shoot at a Deer, then id have no qualms with a smooth bore, because I would have shot 20 at least on Target, checked POIs and tested my Hunting accuracy from less than ideal Sandbag rests... standing or leaning against a tree, replicating how you may be shooting the gun.


Whatever happens, Blog it or make a thread an update it with all the stuff from Bullet choice, shotgun choice, practise results etc etc.... keep it real and show us.

So many threads on here about people going to do stuff, but NEVER a follow up... the only gripe I have ;)

WL
 
Superbrad said:
Can he?...... yet to see that.....
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What are you expecting, the OP to post pics of his targets to see if they meet your standards and satisfy you? Judging by post #19, it appears you actually do. That's....odd. I know you think highly of yourself, but that's taking elitist to a whole new level.

OP, good luck and hopefully you have a speedy recovery. Stalking within 30-40 yards of a deer is quite easy so even if your gun doesn't shoot that great, it should still shoot good enough for "bow range" shots. I'd try to accomplish two goals this season...how close can you get while stalking and using the double barrel to fill your tag. Make a game of it where you have to get to X yards before you're allowed to shoot. The last 5 deer I have taken were shot at less than 15 yards after successful stalks.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
What are you expecting, the OP to post pics of his targets to see if they meet your standards and satisfy you? Judging by post #19, it appears you actually do. That's....odd. I know you think highly of yourself, but that's taking elitist to a whole new level.

OP, good luck and hopefully you have a speedy recovery. Stalking within 30-40 yards of a deer is quite easy so even if your gun doesn't shoot that great, it should still shoot good enough for "bow range" shots. I'd try to accomplish two goals this season...how close can you get while stalking and using the double barrel to fill your tag. Make a game of it where you have to get to X yards before you're allowed to shoot. The last 5 deer I have taken were shot at less than 15 yards after successful stalks.
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Lol..... I fully expect the OP to do what the OP's in these types of threads usually do..... disappear and never tell us if their failures or successes or practice.... although credit to the OP that he has pledged to do so....

And no, I am not a PH and the OP has nothing to "prove" to me at all.... he came here asking for opinions and I simply gave mine based on the information provided in his original post.... once he can complete his practice as he stated he is going to do then, you are absolutely right, if he is satisfied with his results he should go fill his boots......
 
I have to side with Superbrad on this one. A lot of threads are started because people want to hear opinions and get advice from people who have experience and knowledge to share. Unfortunately, when people offer those very opionions, others get so bent out of shape. I never got the sense that Superbrads response was one from someone who perceives himself as an elitist. To me it was straight to the point honesty. And I doubt Superbrad cares if the OP posts his successes at the end of the day. I think whats more concerning to him is that the OP gives more thought to his own processes and takes the time to learn the gun and how it shoots so that when he does point it at a deer, that he has confidence that he will get the job done cleanly

You'd be surprised how many hunters dont actually think of the basics before having at it.
 
When hunting deer, you usually only get one good shot opportunity. I have only used a second shot once, and that was a coup de grace at 5 feet.

So the fact that it is a double gun means nothing. like any other hunting rifle, it is a single shot. Make it count.

When you post your targets at 25 yards, post 2 of them, side by side. Shoot the right barrel at the right target; left at the left.

Unless you are real lucky, only one will hit where you aim. That is the "hunting" barrel. That is the barrel you shoot the only shot that matters with. If the other barrel shoots low left, make a mental note of that, just in case.
 
I don't believe I've ever shot a deer more than once other than to speed up the process when I got up to it. Good advice on printing both barrels and picking one, after all one barrel is improved and one is modified.
 
Back from physio today, painful fibreglass cast is gone and a moulded plastic removable one is in place. I was scared to even wiggle the finger before but now I have bending exercises.

The short of it is I can probably start shooting again soon :) It is my non dominant hand after all...
 
I've done it with 12 ga. One deer was 30 yards. Another was 55 yards but I thought it was 40. Both deer dropped almost instantly
I've taken 4 others at closer ranges with buck shot.
If my double gun regulates well I use slugs in both barrels. If my sxs doesn't I load slug in the most accurate and buck shot in the other
I prefer slugs over buck shot
I'm mostly a bow hunter for deer so I'm used to getting close
 
Got to go out the other night and at 30m I can keep shots on a paper plate off hand. We didn't set up a bench, it was more about getting out of the hot valley and gaining some elevation than serious shooting. I tended to shoot to the right a little with the right barrel (front trigger, improved choke) but I'll figure that out properly one of these days. Even the 20 gauge is uncomfortable to shoot leaning over the box of a truck when you take the hard butt plate in the collarbone, hence the offhand shooting :)

I'd like to get comfortable out to 40-50m then I know I can get a deer with it.
 
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