.45-70 VS .300 win

Shot 2 ontario black bear at over 200 yards from a ground blind with 170 grain core-lokt from 2-7x33mm leupy scoped remlin 336SS.
I explained to them that according to cgn and the hunting rags they weren't supposed to be dead but they still never got up.
A bolt 300 win mag would do at least as good.
 
It says that it works and works well or it wouldn t have lasted but then again you have never shot a deer with it and you know what they say about people who assume��
 
It says that it works and works well or it wouldn t have lasted but then again you have never shot a deer with it and you know what they say about people who assume��


I have shot a few deer with the 45/70 and all were one shot kills and in all cases the deer dropped on the spot and this with just factory loads.With in 150 yards the 45/70 will do it s job if you do yours.My first 45/70 came from my grandfather who use to hunt moose and deer with it ,he called a meat gun.Oh ya there are a lot of dead Buffalo that were shot with a 45/70 that can attest to how good a cartridge it is as well.
 
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Not gonna say this one does this and the other one won't do that.

In this case if it not just to add another gun to the collection and it is a legitimate choice for all use rifle the .300 wins hands down.

Simply put,there is much more versatility in the Winchester chambering.

It is also a fairly more available firearm and ammunition.
 
win94luver said:
For moose country where there are wide open timber clear cuts stretching hundreds of yards the choice of the 300 win mag is obvious.
The 300 win mag with a 3-9x40 scope will do both long and short distance with ease.

I hunted with a guy who had a 22" bbl marlin 1895 and said he could shoot that thing accurately hundreds of yards like quigley (tom selleck) in the movies using kentucky windage.
I embarrassed him into showing us how when we were camped in a huge gravel pit near elk lake west of new liskeard ontario a few falls back.
I mounted an unfolded about 2' x 2' cardboard box that was spray painted fluorescent red on sticks in front of the 15' high gravel face about 250 yards away and out of 5 shots he couldn't hit it once.
So much for quigley and his 45-70.

Like most of these guys my buddy though a nice guy all around was full of grap on the firing line.
I hit the target 5/5 times with my sako 85 hunter in 300 win mag.
An easy shot.
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if the target is not hit whatever the caliber is, most of the time we should not blame the caliber or the tool to launch it ...
 
win94luver said:
That 4500 ft-lbs and a 300 gr bullet will make a big difference to your shoulder but not much to the game animal especially past 100 yds.
That big wide bullet will shed energy like it's going out of style.
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Are you sure about that?? :p


Ballistics compared. The 45-70 Ruger No.1 300gr X bullet has more energy than the 300 Win. Mag. out to nearly 400 yards.

300 grains of 45 caliber destruction all the way. ;)

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albertaman238 said:
Up close both are overkill.....out to 300 yds either 3006 or 308 would be MORE than enough for anything in north america. (most common calibres) and LOTS of other calibres much smaller than 4570 or 300mag
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You do realize we have bison and grizzlies in BC/Yukon/Alaska, right? While I wouldn't disagree that a 308 would likely kill both, its far less than ideal at 100yds let alone 300. Enough, yes, MORE than enough? I disgree... And I can guarantee you I won't be following you into the bushes to find a grizz shot at 200+yds with a 308...


OP I would say it really comes down to your expected uses. Both will kill the game you are after, so then it becomes a matter of expected ranges (300wm has the obvious range advantage, but if you only hunt in the woods that advantage is lost) and what kind of gun you like - 300wm are typically bolt action, whereas most 45-70 are lever guns. Obviously, you can get other flavors too (semi 300wm, single shot of either, ect)

One advantage the 300wm will not lose at short range is its ability to cause shock to the animal for DRT kills. Sure, you can load a Ruger no.1 hot enough to also get that kind of quick killing, but ANY 300wm load out of ANY 300wm rifle will provide those kind of effects on deer.
 
chasseur said:
It says that it works and works well or it wouldn t have lasted but then again you have never shot a deer with it and you know what they say about people who assume��
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The only one assuming is you my friend. If the 45/70 was that good for deer... they would have stopped there. They didn't though.. They made better cartridges, that do things better.
Nobody I hunt with in BC is carrying a 45/70... But growing up in NS (your neck of the woods) nobody I knew was either :)
The man asked which caliber was better for deer and black bear.
Nobody said anything about "buffalo".. that's a different thread.
 
Having butchered and field dressed more than a couple animals, here is my .02 Velocity causes the most meat damage. Period. I for one, use bloodshot (or blood splattered) meat for dog food.

Using a .270 V 30-06 example. Both on deer, both with premium bullets, the 270 wasted more meat than the 30-06. And 7mmMag was the worst of the bunch for wasted meat (all shots were H/L)

Edit: Saw an underarm shot on a decent sized deer taken at 100Yds last year with a 300WM. I wish I could show the pictures, but essentially the complete shoulder was unfit for anything but dog food. So out of a possible 110lbs of meat, the winmag wasted 27lbs FYI

So 300WM or 45/70? Either works. If you plan to eat it, based on ONLY those 2 caliber choices, I would give the 45/70 the nod. If not, I would go for the 300WM

For a decent all around caliber 30-06 is darn hard to beat. And my go to choice when hunting. When on bear watch for other hunters, My 44 Mag lever action carbine, 12 gauge is my 2nd choice.. I take nothing for granted when hunting.
 
Slamfire said:
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Are you sure about that?? :p


Ballistics compared. The 45-70 Ruger No.1 300gr X bullet has more energy than the 300 Win. Mag. out to nearly 400 yards.

300 grains of 45 caliber destruction all the way. ;)

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Thats the starting load with 180s for the 300 and couple hundred feet faster than normal 45 load.
 
CanadianBaconPancakes said:
Looking for an all around rifle for deer to black bear.

Is the .300 win a more powerfull choice then .45-70 up close?
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In open areas where shots could be long some would say the 300 Win. Mag. has the advantage because of its favorable trajectory.

However, a standard speed 45-70 with a scope that has a ballistic reticle like one of the Nikons would make long range shots possible. Check out the reticle at 9x calibrated to 380 yards for Federal 45-70 300gr ammo. ;)

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chasseur said:
45/70 has been around since 1873 that in itself should say something
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State of the art...when the average life expectancy was 40 years. You said all around. The 45-70 is not a 300 yard hunting rifle (unless you're looking to clear a rail of pigs). I have both, I've hunted with both and I've killed game with both. The 300 is ultimately more versatile.
 
Inappropriate use of a bullet for intended results.

Use a bonded or partition and that damage goes down considerably.

Use a ballistic tip or SST with speed, gonna get damage.


Got Juice? said:
Having butchered and field dressed more than a couple animals, here is my .02 Velocity causes the most meat damage. Period. I for one, use bloodshot (or blood splattered) meat for dog food.

Using a .270 V 30-06 example. Both on deer, both with premium bullets, the 270 wasted more meat than the 30-06. And 7mmMag was the worst of the bunch for wasted meat (all shots were H/L)

Edit: Saw an underarm shot on a decent sized deer taken at 100Yds last year with a 300WM. I wish I could show the pictures, but essentially the complete shoulder was unfit for anything but dog food. So out of a possible 110lbs of meat, the winmag wasted 27lbs FYI

So 300WM or 45/70? Either works. If you plan to eat it, based on ONLY those 2 caliber choices, I would give the 45/70 the nod. If not, I would go for the 300WM

For a decent all around caliber 30-06 is darn hard to beat. And my go to choice when hunting. When on bear watch for other hunters, My 44 Mag lever action carbine, 12 gauge is my 2nd choice.. I take nothing for granted when hunting.
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45/70 worked fine on about 60 million buffalo. Can't see it having much problem with deer or bear (Moose, Elk or most African animals either). Select the appropriate bullet and you have a versatile and deadly firearm! With decent shot placement they will drop where they stand. Trust me I know.

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albertaman238 said:
Up close both are overkill.....out to 300 yds either 3006 or 308 would be MORE than enough for anything in north america. (most common calibres) and LOTS of other calibres much smaller than 4570 or 300mag
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Not to nitpick... the .308 and 30-06 mentioned are the same caliber as the 300 win mag ( all three at .308).
 
You won't go wrong with the rifle or caliber of your own choosing.

Many of us have most likely started off with the mid range rifles in life,,, 303, 308, 270, 30/06, 7mm Muasers and plane Jane all round rifles of the sort...

Some of us increased too the magnum line up's as some stayed in the standard case size.

This year I returned too the 30/06 world where it started for me as I'll finish up my years plinking with it, the odd critter harvest if it works out.

I'm thrilled with my 1 rifle idea as I know it is able to harvest any game I choose too go after.

I hope the rifle and caliber you choose puts a Grin on your face every time you take it out.

Some thing that can do what you need it too do, that's what really counts.

I'm sure others will chime as they have some good ideas too assist you on the path your on.

Don as I share only what works for me as you find your adventures ahead
 
medvedqc said:
if the target is not hit whatever the caliber is, most of the time we should not blame the caliber or the tool to launch it ...
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I think what he was trying to say was that not many can REALLY 'quigley' a 45-70 bullet onto a target 4 or 5 hundred or more yards away.
Takes a heck of a rifle/load combo and even more importantly a heck of a shooter.
A flat shooting 300 winchester mag is a lot easier to master.
 
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