Restricted firearms purchases from Epps

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You guys all can argue till death here. At the end of the day if you get charged, how much money you have to pay to your lawyer to argue with the courts that zip ties are locking device.
You might win your argument.....after helping your lawyer paying off his mortgage or boats LOL
 
lanis said:
Epps is a privately owned business, and has the right to set their policy as they see fit.
End of story.
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This.

Also IMO if my business was on the cfo's doorstep I would follow everything to the letter to the best of my ability.
 
hsatimmy said:
This.

Also IMO if my business was on the cfo's doorstep I would follow everything to the letter to the best of my ability.
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As i stated in one of my recent posts. The CFO has told us we cannot use zip ties to lock up our firearms thats in the store. Id go with that rule personaly. As i have padlocks and such to use and dont have great wire cutters at home to remove a zip tie.
 
The way it has been explained to me is if there is any incident that requires law enforcement to be involved someone will be charged. You will pay you 7grand for a lawyer to get you off (that reads kind of funny doesn't it?) a business multiplies the risk as they have more rolls of the dice for mishap.
just more of making criminals out of normal law abiding citizens
 
Aries- said:
As i stated in one of my recent posts. The CFO has told us we cannot use zip ties to lock up our firearms thats in the store. Id go with that rule personaly. As i have padlocks and such to use and dont have great wire cutters at home to remove a zip tie.
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I'd never use a zip tie, but you can remove one by depressing the "tongue" locking mechanism in the square head. Depress it and feed the strap back through. Don't even have to cut it and the zip tie is reusable.
 
My two cents:
The gun stores rules are perfectly reasonable if you are picking up in the store.

The rules for shipping say:
11. An INDIVIDUAL may transport a restricted firearm only if etc etc

If it is being shipped by Canada Post by a business all the stuff below that doesnt apply,
As it is not being transported by an individual. Individuals transporting is different than shipping.
That is backed up by the CFOs saying no problem to ship without a lock, but with signature required.
 
Firearms are considered non-mailable items, giving Canada Post a fair bit of power in dictating shipping terms:

There cannot be any ammunition in the firearm or in the package. Bullets, cartridges and other ammunition are dangerous goods and cannot be mailed. These items fall under Class 1 (Explosives) of the Canadian Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act and Regulations.

Customers who wish to ship firearms must:

unload the firearms
attach a secure locking device to the firearms
lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container, and
remove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).

Firearms cannot be shipped via air and cannot have any markings on the outside of the packaging. The customer is solely responsible for meeting all Canadian Firearms Centre regulations.

https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGnonmail-e.asp
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Not sure what happens to non-compliant packages, they would either be destroyed or handed over to police, probably the latter. I know I know people ship handguns without a trigger lock by air everyday, still, the laws are what they are.
 
Aries- said:
un true. when shipping restricted they do not need to be trigger locked or cased. if you dont buy one and the gun does not come with one, it is safely packaged and padded and shipped to you.
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According to Canada Post regulations your post would appear to be incorrect. Restricteds do need to be both trigger locked and locked in a case.....or does this not apply to business accounts? I know this rule is violated by individuals and retail businesses every day but that is the actual requirement.

I guess the issue is do postal regulations have the force of law? As Canada Post was created by an act of parliament I believe their regulations may well be legal requirements under that act.
 
sailor723 said:
According to Canada Post regulations your post would appear to be incorrect. Restricteds do need to be both trigger locked and locked in a case.....or does this not apply to business accounts? I know this rule is violated by individuals and retail businesses every day but that is the actual requirement.

I guess the issue is do postal regulations have the force of law? As Canada Post was created by an act of parliament I believe their regulations may well be legal requirements under that act.
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I believe you are correct it's the Canada Post Act, and they don't make any mention of classification, just firearms, so even non-restricteds need to be trigger locked and in a locked container, and "automatic" firearms, which I presume includes semi's, need the bolt or carrier removed.
 
sailor723 said:
According to Canada Post regulations your post would appear to be incorrect. Restricteds do need to be both trigger locked and locked in a case.....or does this not apply to business accounts? I know this rule is violated by individuals and retail businesses every day but that is the actual requirement.

I guess the issue is do postal regulations have the force of law? As Canada Post was created by an act of parliament I believe their regulations may well be legal requirements under that act.
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Epps works closely with canada post. and over half our business is shipping out firearms across canada, and has been for at least the last 8+ years i have been there, and i have never seen a firearm be locked or in a locked case while shipping.

Firearms we receive from distributors sent by CPS are never locked. Firearms sent to us from other businesses have never been locked.
 
Just take their sweet time shipping them out. (purchased Jan 24)
CFO confirmed transfer approval Feb 1.
Called Epps "No, the approval isn't approved" (Feb 6)
Hmmmm I tend to believe the CFO

Firearm has tracking number but STILL not shipped.
First (trial) purchase here. Likely the last.
 
Bought a ton of restricteds from our sponsors and shipped by CP or canpar, they are never triggerlocked.
 
well......It comes down to $$$$$

If I can buy the same gun from a different Vendor .....and not have to pay $50 extra for locks ,box's ECT,......Guess where I'm gonna shop.
Easy peasy.
 
Might as well join the party!! Everyone one I picked up at the a store has left with trigger lock and in locked case, I bring my "transport case" to clear any trigger lock. One place actually told me, they wouldn't allow me to leave the store unless the gun was in a lockable case and with trigger lock. Everything shipped to me just came in a cardboard box with nothing.
 
From Canadapost:
Customers who wish to ship firearms must:
-unload the firearms - there cannot be any ammunition in the firearm or in the package (bullets, cartridges and other ammunition are dangerous goods)
-attach a secure locking device to the firearms
-lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container, and
-remove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).
Firearms cannot be shipped via air and cannot have any markings on the outside of the packaging. The customer is solely responsible for meeting all Canadian Firearms Centre regulations.

I always had a concern about firearms delivered to my house - one thing to get a notice card and go pick up at the post office. Now what? Open package, attached the lock and put in in the gun-case? It is doable if you driving, but what if not? What about paperwork? It was at least one time when handgun came before paperwork! Let it sit at the post office?

What about if your family members are signing for the package and leaving it in the hallway?

What if the package was lost by carrier and you already have all paperwork on hands?
 
I have always had a trigger lock and locked case when I have picked up a restricted in store and I have bought from a few places. Personally, I don't care about what Canada Post does, they are a Crown Corp and will not face any charges while it is in their possession just like how an RCMP officer can leave a loaded pistol in the back seat of his squad car and have it stolen and a teenage girl shot with it and not face charges. Personally I don't think they would be lenient on me the same way. I really don't see the debate here. Epps isn't alone and it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that they want you to follow the law. Just be a good lad now and bring a case and trigger lock.
 
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