SKS Tactical Stocks: Archangel vs Choate vs ATI gen2 vs Tapco: Pros & Cons

Oh heck, can't you just embed an adjustable peep into the back of your 2.5 rail?
I'd buy it!

In my opinion the sight is exactly where it needs to be.

The tech sight suffers because it is attached to the receiver cover. This means it needs removal upon every cleaning ... you have no idea how many people buy kwik pins from me because they hate unscrewing the tech sight on a regular basis.

I know people argue greater sight radius, but again this is quite moot on an SKS ... its not some kind of la Palma bench rest rifle, its a rifle whose main benefits are durability and ease of use.

The Raveneye improves on the original sights substantially, doesn't add weird looking out of place stuff to the rifle and in no way diminishes the convenience of using the rifle.

Thats why I made it that way ...
 
Life is a game of compromises, isn't it?
I most certainly agree that the Raveneye is an improvement on the OEM leaf.
Also, I wholeheartedly agree with the Tech Sight 200 being a PITA.
However, we senior citizens are pretty much stuck with glass optics because of the way our eyes are stuck at one focal length.
My personal experience has indicated that the small f-stop of a peep right in front of my eyeball does wonders for increasing the depth of field, which brings both the front sight and the target into focus.
Perhaps you're not rickety enough yet to appreciate this.
 
Life is a game of compromises, isn't it?
I most certainly agree that the Raveneye is an improvement on the OEM leaf.
Also, I wholeheartedly agree with the Tech Sight 200 being a PITA.
However, we senior citizens are pretty much stuck with glass optics because of the way our eyes are stuck at one focal length.
My personal experience has indicated that the small f-stop of a peep right in front of my eyeball does wonders for increasing the depth of field, which brings both the front sight and the target into focus.
Perhaps you're not rickety enough yet to appreciate this.

Thats funny, lol.

I am 61 now, does that count as rickety enough?

Again I find the opposite of what you say is true for me, as I prefer the sight set a little forward as my eyes have aged out.

Maybe the only way to know for sure is to try it out.
 
Not to hijack the thread here but for those of you who mentioned swapping in a kwik pin to mount the tech sight,
Does it keep everything solid and work reliably? Ive been considering a pull pin on mine but was thinking it might have some slop in it still...only one way to find out I guess eh?
Can anyone comment on this?
 
Not to hijack the thread here but for those of you who mentioned swapping in a kwik pin to mount the tech sight,
Does it keep everything solid and work reliably? Ive been considering a pull pin on mine but was thinking it might have some slop in it still...only one way to find out I guess eh?
Can anyone comment on this?
All I can say is I have had no complaints ... KP tends to fit very tightly.
I am planning to release a short video going over the ins and outs of the KwikRail system including the KP.
You might want to check the website for it.
 
Well, I must eat my words, eh?
I'm 61 too.
Can you give me instructions on adapting the TS200 to the kwikpin, or do I just have to get one of your raveneyes and play with it a bit?
Problem is, FOC shows out of stock, and I can't seem to find anyone else in the GTA that carries it.
 
Well, I must eat my words, eh?
I'm 61 too.
Can you give me instructions on adapting the TS200 to the kwikpin, or do I just have to get one of your raveneyes and play with it a bit?
Problem is, FOC shows out of stock, and I can't seem to find anyone else in the GTA that carries it.

Message me here with your phone number, we can chat a bit.
 
Oh, sorry. I should have said "I COMPLETELY don't care about the lack of a bayonet slot"...

that's a common mistake-ppl think that bayonet is for attacking your enemy/ bear when you out of ammo. No, it is actually a slim and nice monopod for precision shooting... just stick it into the ground
 
Problems with long rails:
speaking about magwedge/ kwik/ Kodiak rail and other similar constructions:
pin is better than screw in terms of servicing, but if you'd like to hold zero.... then pin may be not as good?
my friend today has discovered that all such constructions still allow some freedom of movements in the back of the receiver where the pin/ screw goes in.

but even if you use the screw, it is not holding in the hole, it is used with the counter-nut ... so.. both pin and crew for such constructions still allow 0.1-0.3 mm freedom of movement, otherwise you'd not stick it through the hole in the dust cover. Or you have to thread the hole, to make the screw completely functional.. but then again-it is painful to remove every time you wanna clean the rifle.

now, it is individual, but that 0.1-0.3mm play in the back of dust cover may cost you 1-2 MOA at 50-100 m, which doesn't matter for a tactical rifle... but still it matters.... because with time 0.1-0.3mm will become 0.3-0.5mm etc.. 'coz a significant portion of the shot energy ends up exactly at that rear pin/ screw that goes through the dust cover... besides.... when you clean your rifle.. what do you do? yup: pin in-pin out-additional wear and tear.

If you'd really like to construct a good rail, then sure replace the front sights, but then the rear end of the rail must be screwed into the receiver, NOT TO BE HOLD BY PINS/ SCREWS through the dust cover!

How the ideal SKS rail will look like?
I would think the ideal rail would be something like a hybrid of FRONT of Magwedge rail (front portion of it), and the BACK of the rail below, which screws in into the receiver body (magwedge front part + extended choate/ promag rail rear part):
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if to make it available at a reasonable price I would install it on half of my tactical SKSes: cut the front sight, make it really legally short/ shorter... have a long steady rail with red dot/ magnifier and back up sights.... it will always hold zero and it will be easy to field strip, no pins subject to wear/ tear. Sure, it will require some elementary gunsmithing

Such a hybrid rail will bit all rails available: steady, serviceable. it will change a whole game of tacticality of SKS.

What to do now until Magwedge manufacturers the dream hybrid rail?
For now, I do not believe in long rails because of : see above and yes... it has a potential: see above
For now I believe (tested with >2500 rounds and still holding 100% ZERO) only in a steady rail system like this and/ or similar:
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The problem with regular bipods is people put them on hard surfaces, not even a carpet... and when you shoot it and your bipod is on hardwood/ concrete surface... it is not good for the barrel...
The baayonet, if u can stick it into something, considered soft surface, is nicer for the barrel IMHO
 
Not to hijack the thread here but for those of you who mentioned swapping in a kwik pin to mount the tech sight,
Does it keep everything solid and work reliably? Ive been considering a pull pin on mine but was thinking it might have some slop in it still...only one way to find out I guess eh?
Can anyone comment on this?

...i'm only 60 so i might be more resilient

...i love the kwik rail

bought the gen1 and upgraded to the gen2

but i am a bit reserved when it comes to bolts and screws so i switched out the quick pin for threads and nylon bolts...just can't 'hep mysef'...

although i believe the qwik pin is good enuf

...and the bolt is a pain to dismantle
 
...i'm only 60 so i might be more resilient

...i love the kwik rail

bought the gen1 and upgraded to the gen2

but i am a bit reserved when it comes to bolts and screws so i switched out the quick pin for threads and nylon bolts...just can't 'hep mysef'...

although i believe the qwik pin is good enuf

...and the bolt is a pain to dismantle
the failing bolt in terms of hex cap tear/ wear was the reason why my friend returned magwedge rail back to the seller yesterday. He tried pin as well, but there was some play with the pin... bolt was ok but removing it every time you want to clean your rifle-was ridiculous
the screw makes it absolutely helpless for tool-free field stripping.. the pin plays and costs you 1-2 moa
 
In the three rifles I posted above, they have rails and quick pins, and they can have a small bit of movement. I wouldn't tolerate it on most rifles but no matter how much stuff we attach to our SKS rifles, they are never going to be precision rifles. All I really need to do is to be able to hit a 4" gong at 100 M and this set up is capable of that.

As for cleaning with an Archangel stock, it's easy. Pull out plastic trigger spacer, pop out the trigger group (both easy) and then pull out the quick pin, flip up the rail on the split pin and clean.
 
don't know about the new Gen ati stocks. but I have an older strike- force ati stock and the little tiny screw which just threads into plastic to hold the grip on is pretty budget. laughable really. surprisingly I havnt experienced any issues with it. but if they improved that then I'd give it two thumbs up. but as it stands I'll never buy another because of that alone. cheers
 
One other thing- if you have some movement in the rail, check your roll pin. They do break and sometimes it's not evident at first, as it's internal. They are usually good for at least a few thousand rounds though.
 
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