10 round Turkish magazines l - Are they legal to own without a pump?

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I have an Alpharms 15SA shotgun. I have half a dozen 5 round magazines but I also ordered a couple of 10 round mags as I planned to buy an AS46 pump for them.

I have not used the 10 rounders in my 15SA.

Is there a possible legal beef until I find an AS46?
 
Magazines are either prohibited devices or not; what you use them with does not change their status. If your magazines were manufactured and designed to be used in a pump action shotgun then there is no limit on their capacity.

Just as you do not need to own an LAR-15 pistol to buy LAR-15 magazines, so it follows that you do not need to own a certain pump action shotgun to own its magazines. The legal beef you may encounter is with law enforcement officers that believe the law to be different than it is.
 
Magazines are either prohibited devices or not; what you use them with does not change their status. If your magazines were manufactured and designed to be used in a pump action shotgun then there is no limit on their capacity.

Just as you do not need to own an LAR-15 pistol to buy LAR-15 magazines, so it follows that you do not need to own a certain pump action shotgun to own its magazines. The legal beef you may encounter is with law enforcement officers that believe the law to be different than it is.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse as they say .... only goes one way however.
 
I have an Alpharms 15SA shotgun. I have half a dozen 5 round magazines but I also ordered a couple of 10 round mags as I planned to buy an AS46 pump for them.

I have not used the 10 rounders in my 15SA.

Is there a possible legal beef until I find an AS46?
You don't even need a pal to order mags, I just ordered two 10 rounders for the sinsinati 12 gauge from Corwin arms! Looking forward to trying it out at the range!
 
Magazines are either prohibited devices or not; what you use them with does not change their status. If your magazines were manufactured and designed to be used in a pump action shotgun then there is no limit on their capacity.

Just as you do not need to own an LAR-15 pistol to buy LAR-15 magazines, so it follows that you do not need to own a certain pump action shotgun to own its magazines. The legal beef you may encounter is with law enforcement officers that believe the law to be different than it is.

Exactly right, I have a BR99 and AS46 mags which "theoretically" work perfectly in it. But as posted above do you really want to take a chance to be proven correct in court?
 
Exactly right, I have a BR99 and AS46 mags which "theoretically" work perfectly in it. But as posted above do you really want to take a chance to be proven correct in court?

Hence my thoughts regarding buying a Turkish, box mag pump.

However I already have four 12 gauge shotguns including 2 pumps so I'd rather not add a fifth unless it is really necessary.
 
Hence my thoughts regarding buying a Turkish, box mag pump.

However I already have four 12 gauge shotguns including 2 pumps so I'd rather not add a fifth unless it is really necessary.

I have too many 12 gauge shotties too, I will have to sell 3 likely, but the mag fed serves a particular purpose ( I hope) so I am making room for it
 
Ignorance of the law is no excuse as they say .... only goes one way however.

What he said isn't ignorance. It is exactly the way it is. If dealers sell these 10rd mags they are not prohib . And if they so happen to fit in a semi you can legally use them. If an ignorant rcmp / police officer lays charges you might have to deal with it in court but it is technically not illegal. I carry a screenshot of the rcmp webpage as well as a screenshot of a page from a dealer selling them. I'm not really worried. I take mine out and shoot it.
 
As far as my understanding goes, every centerfire semi automatic rifle is limited to 5 rounds regardless of whether it's a shotgun or a rifle.
There is also nothing illegal with owning any magazine that is not a prohibited device and the law states that the magazine is limited to the legal capacity of the firearm it was designed to be used in regardless of what other firearms it may also be compatible with.

You're in a bit of a grey zone on this one, legally you should be fine but
First of all decide if it's worth the trouble if you do get caught using it in your semi auto, you may win eventually but it will be costly and the prosecution is working on tax dollars while you pay your own way. I think that legally you're in the same ballpark as using a pistol magazine in an AR-15 or a 40 cal Glock magazine in a Glock 9mm to get a couple extra rounds.
Second, be prepared, have all relevant documentation with you when shooting, with the important information highlighted so you can hand it to the officer who is arresting you.
Third, be smart about it. As far as I'm concerned we would still have no issues running Beowulf mags if certain people didn't take them out to the local gravel pit and do multiple mag dumps which of course will generate phone calls from concerned lieberal citizens to local law enforcement which forces them to do something about it after there have been enough reports.

Does the company that makes the 10 round mags for the pump action also make a semi auto that they will work in? If so I would say you are going to hit the multi use wall and going to be illegal in your semi because you have to prove the magazine was designed for a pump action and that it coincidentally works in the semi but if it is also designed for their semi then technically it should be pinned to 5 on import.

Remember, they don't want us armed and most police know very little about firearms or the laws around them, many of them have been brainwashed by years of lieberal propaganda and they stop listening to reason until after you're in handcuffs and down at the station.

A lot of people like to tell you it's legal so do it but only you can decide if It's worth the potential headache that might come from it. The police and the judge don't care what any of us think is legal and don't care how we interpret the written law, all that matters to them is how they interpret it.
What's to gain vs what's to lose? A couple extra rounds making your smile a little bigger for a couple minutes or months and months maybe leading to years of court battles and lawyer fees.
On private land or out in the middle of nowhere I say go for it but at the gun range or anywhere there may be unhappy campers listening I would stick to the five round mags.
 
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Please do everyone a favor and DON'T mess around with it.

If it becomes widespread; The RCMP will reclassify all shotgun magazines as "dual-purpose", and everything will be capped at 5-rounds.

Basically; You will screw those of us who are currently running 10-round pump guns.
 
There is NO grey zone here.

The mags are regulated by the firearm they were designed for. The 10 round mags are designed for manual action (pump) shotguns. Whatever they happen to fit in and cycle with, is irrelevant. You don't need to own a pump shotgun for your mags to be legal. Just like you don't need to own a LAR-15 pistol for your 10 round LAR-15 mags to be legal.

In the case of the Turkish shotgun mags, there is even a physical feature that separates the ones designed for semi-auto vs. the ones designed for manual guns.

The mags designed for the semi-auto shotguns have a small cutout at the rear of the mag for a spring loaded tab attached to the follower to pop out of in order to activate the last shot bolt hold open (this is a feature common to most of the current Turkish semi-autos).

The mags designed for the manual action pumps do not have the cut out on the back of the mag, and the followers do not have the spring loaded tab.
 
Whatever they happen to fit in and cycle with, is irrelevant.

Really?

How's that working out with high capacity Ruger 10-22 rifle magazines?
Oh, that's right; They're all now deemed to be "dual usage" and limited to 10-rounds.

And how's it working out with Beowulf mags?
Oh, that's right; They're all now deemed to be "dual usage" and limited to 2-rounds.

And now you smart guys want to go poke the hornets nest again?
You're going to get all pump shotgun magazines deemed to be "dual usage" and limited to 5-rounds.
 
Really?

How's that working out with high capacity Ruger 10-22 rifle magazines?
Oh, that's right; They're all now deemed to be "dual usage" and limited to 10-rounds.

And how's it working out with Beowulf mags?
Oh, that's right; They're all now deemed to be "dual usage" and limited to 2-rounds.

And now you smart guys want to go poke the hornets nest again?
You're going to get all pump shotgun magazines deemed to be "dual usage" and limited to 5-rounds.

None of which has been tested in court. If these magazines are prohibited devices then no reputable dealer in the country would risk his licence and jail time to make a few dollars. The Ruger 10/22 mag issue is patently ridiculous, since the Butler Creek mags long pre-existed the Ruger Charger handgun. The Beowulf mag issue will be more difficult to work out, since some of them (the AA mags specifically were most definitely designed and manufactured for a .50 Beowulf semi-auto rifle) while others may have a more dubious provenance. In any case, this situation is far more akin to the LAR-15 mags or XCR 7.62x39 pistol mags than to the other two situations you identified.
 
All of this is irrelevant.

The follower angles are different. The AS46 10 round magazine has a shallower angle than the 5 rounders. Is it likely to fit in your semi? Possibly. Is it likely to feed? No.
 
What he said isn't ignorance. It is exactly the way it is. If dealers sell these 10rd mags they are not prohib . And if they so happen to fit in a semi you can legally use them. If an ignorant rcmp / police officer lays charges you might have to deal with it in court but it is technically not illegal. I carry a screenshot of the rcmp webpage as well as a screenshot of a page from a dealer selling them. I'm not really worried. I take mine out and shoot it.

I was referring to the ignorance of cops ....

Which can easily cost you your guns for a year, a year in court, and about 10 grand just because Barney Fife had a hunch.

Accountability really only goes one direction as well.
 
All of this is irrelevant.

The follower angles are different. The AS46 10 round magazine has a shallower angle than the 5 rounders. Is it likely to fit in your semi? Possibly. Is it likely to feed? No.

And you're basing this on what testing? Exactly?
 
All of this is irrelevant.

The follower angles are different. The AS46 10 round magazine has a shallower angle than the 5 rounders. Is it likely to fit in your semi? Possibly. Is it likely to feed? No.

Works perfectly fine in mine !!!!
I do have periodic issues with the last shot crushing into the feed ramp though .
 
I was referring to the ignorance of cops ....

Which can easily cost you your guns for a year, a year in court, and about 10 grand just because Barney Fife had a hunch.

Accountability really only goes one direction as well.

Yes... I agree, and think it's pathetic they are not held accountable for wasting everyone's time and money.
 
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