Best Milsurp rifle for SHTF

if it was one gun, my sks, if it was 2, my sks and my 9mm.

if I was kitting out 1/ family member. it would be the sks for me, the 12g for the wife, the 1022 for one kid, and the second kid would have his 22.
 
AR15: accurate, lightweight, ammo everywhere in north american
CZ858: accurate, lightweight, ammo ia very common
SKS: Build like a tank, ammo is common

If SHTF, rulea are out the windows. No ATT, no classes... I'll take an AR anytime over any milsurp
 
No.4 mk1. Issue peep sights, ammo is everywhere espescially in the North where most people think of bugging out to, rifles are common so finding replacement parts is simple and they're purpose built to go through the toughest conditions on earth and you don't have to worry about corrosion as much as you do with an SKS with it's Com Bloc surplus ammo that makes it so cheap.
 
Shtf????? Way to broad. There are so many scenarios for this.

One thing you need to ask yourself is "What are your personal capabilities to keep the firearm fed and for how long this needs to be done." IMHO the SKS is fine as long as ammo is available. Then there is the issue that the rifle is a semi auto and cases will be lost pretty regularly. You won't be shooting it on a range or from the bench. How mobile are you intending to be??

The SKS is a fine design but it certainly isn't noted for being accurate. Same goes for rifles such as the Mini 14/30. Some of the AR offerings and other such higher end rifles can be seriously accurate both with and without optical sights, buttttt they are HEAVY and weight can be a serious obstacle when it comes to what a few pounds of saved weight can be replaced with.

This is just IMHO, but you must get your head around the fact there won't be any chances for resupply of ammo/parts etc. Take a long hard look at that situation and ask yourself what situation you're going to prep for. Short term such as getting stuck in the bush for a few days, mid term such as flooding/snowed in with help on the horizon or long term which includes a complete collapse of government and worse.

IMHO a bolt action with plenty of loaded ammo, which can be 223 rem or 7.62x39 mainly because they're readily available in bulk at present time. There is one other very viable option and that is a 22 rimfire, either in a magnum or standard long rifle format. Shotguns are OK but ammo is heavy and expensive.

It all boils down to this. When the SHTF and there is no viable option for resupply, you have what you have and only luck and by golly along with some other unpleasant options will be your only hope. The cartridges that are the most popular will disappear first. That includes, 22 rim fires, 223rem, 7.62x39, 308Win, 270Win, 30-06 Springfield. The other less popular cartridges may be around slightly longer but the supply will be extremely limited. If you will be mobile, things such as fuel for vehicles will dry up the first day, so you will be limited to what you can carry without hurting yourself. Your load will consist of light shelter, food, heavy coat which will double as a sleeping bag, couple of liters of water, ammunition/firearm. One alternative which is very good is a rifle matched to a pistol with the same cartridge.

If you're going to be static in a hidden or defend-able position then you can stock it with several years of supplies or just about whatever you wish including reloading supplies. The biggest issue with such a location is that survivors will be looking for such places and as such they are extremely susceptible to attack. Don't kid yourself for an instant that such situations will bring out the stellar qualities we have been socially programmed to believe. One good example was the last huge US and Offshore Tsunami incidents. Many of the local police/soldiers bugged out to be with or look for their families instead of doing their duty. NOOOO, I don't blame them one bit. The survival of their families may have been absolutely dependent on them being there and getting them to safety. Horrible position to be in.

OP, you really need to do a lot of indepth due diligence before setting up such a kit. You also need to find out if you have friends you can TRUST in such a situation or the likelihood of a knife between your ribs in the middle of the night or somewhere along the trail is almost a sure thing. DON't tell ANYONE where your bugout route ends. If other survivors, usually starving, know the location???????????????????

This sounds paranoid but if you've ever experienced a complete societal break down it quickly becomes obvious what needs to be done and what changes need to be made to your personal attitude. I can just about guarantee that after a month every stranger and even friends you may run across will chew off the hand that feeds them.
 
I would totally over analyze a silly question, or take a cz 858. Cant operate operationally with an itty bitty titty 10 round non removable clipazine, thats un operator as fck. Besides, its a well known fact that wielding an sks is the first step to catching the ###.
 
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All I can say is, all of your choices probably wouldn't do well against a Deathclaw....

O.O Wait a minute..... if North Korea nukes us? We actually have to LIVE through Fallout? Well unless you all can afford to spring for a .50BMG? or maybe something even bigger? I say pretty much every single one of us is royally fvcked! Ain't a single one of us gonna be able to kill DEATHCLAWS! Jesus.

AR15: accurate, lightweight, ammo everywhere in north american
CZ858: accurate, lightweight, ammo ia very common
SKS: Build like a tank, ammo is common

If SHTF, rulea are out the windows. No ATT, no classes... I'll take an AR anytime over any milsurp

No rules? = FULL AUTO = huge smile on my face.

Now.... does anyone know how to rig an M61 20mm to a Chev Suburban? :cool:


Okay.... okay..... in all seriousness? A Mosin. More BEAR-STOPPING potential than an SKS (though I would like a little MORE but at least don't grab a .22LR!!!) and has a longer reach. Ammo is quite cheap and plentiful. Mosin's love to "eat" anything.... corrosive, non-corrosive, steel, brass, etc.
 
Shtf????? Way to broad. There are so many scenarios for this.

One thing you need to ask yourself is "What are your personal capabilities to keep the firearm fed and for how long this needs to be done." IMHO the SKS is fine as long as ammo is available. Then there is the issue that the rifle is a semi auto and cases will be lost pretty regularly. You won't be shooting it on a range or from the bench. How mobile are you intending to be??

The SKS is a fine design but it certainly isn't noted for being accurate. Same goes for rifles such as the Mini 14/30. Some of the AR offerings and other such higher end rifles can be seriously accurate both with and without optical sights, buttttt they are HEAVY and weight can be a serious obstacle when it comes to what a few pounds of saved weight can be replaced with.

This is just IMHO, but you must get your head around the fact there won't be any chances for resupply of ammo/parts etc. Take a long hard look at that situation and ask yourself what situation you're going to prep for. Short term such as getting stuck in the bush for a few days, mid term such as flooding/snowed in with help on the horizon or long term which includes a complete collapse of government and worse.

IMHO a bolt action with plenty of loaded ammo, which can be 223 rem or 7.62x39 mainly because they're readily available in bulk at present time. There is one other very viable option and that is a 22 rimfire, either in a magnum or standard long rifle format. Shotguns are OK but ammo is heavy and expensive.

It all boils down to this. When the SHTF and there is no viable option for resupply, you have what you have and only luck and by golly along with some other unpleasant options will be your only hope. The cartridges that are the most popular will disappear first. That includes, 22 rim fires, 223rem, 7.62x39, 308Win, 270Win, 30-06 Springfield. The other less popular cartridges may be around slightly longer but the supply will be extremely limited. If you will be mobile, things such as fuel for vehicles will dry up the first day, so you will be limited to what you can carry without hurting yourself. Your load will consist of light shelter, food, heavy coat which will double as a sleeping bag, couple of liters of water, ammunition/firearm. One alternative which is very good is a rifle matched to a pistol with the same cartridge.

If you're going to be static in a hidden or defend-able position then you can stock it with several years of supplies or just about whatever you wish including reloading supplies. The biggest issue with such a location is that survivors will be looking for such places and as such they are extremely susceptible to attack. Don't kid yourself for an instant that such situations will bring out the stellar qualities we have been socially programmed to believe. One good example was the last huge US and Offshore Tsunami incidents. Many of the local police/soldiers bugged out to be with or look for their families instead of doing their duty. NOOOO, I don't blame them one bit. The survival of their families may have been absolutely dependent on them being there and getting them to safety. Horrible position to be in.

OP, you really need to do a lot of indepth due diligence before setting up such a kit. You also need to find out if you have friends you can TRUST in such a situation or the likelihood of a knife between your ribs in the middle of the night or somewhere along the trail is almost a sure thing. DON't tell ANYONE where your bugout route ends. If other survivors, usually starving, know the location???????????????????

This sounds paranoid but if you've ever experienced a complete societal break down it quickly becomes obvious what needs to be done and what changes need to be made to your personal attitude. I can just about guarantee that after a month every stranger and even friends you may run across will chew off the hand that feeds them.

My plan (in bold) as well should something big happen in our once great country, no offence people :p

 
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My plan as well if something major ever happens in our once great country

DT? Bearhunter? Great points but ALWAYS remember the bears will still be hungry. Unfortunately? Not many HANDGUNS can handle a 1,000 pound killing machine (granted there certainly ARE some out there) S&W 500 is one I can think of that also has rifles in that chambering.
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Being REALISTIC? What does everyone have RIGHT NOW that can stop a very large bear? Probably a 12 GA in MOST CASES. I'd say just about all gun owners, even the ones who don't support gun rights have a 12 GA pump. Even if that is their ONLY FIREARM so THOSE are what you can expect to run into.

NOT EASY. That's for damn sure. Especially when it all boils down to weight. Fuel won't be swallowed up in the FIRST day though. Granted? You will have to be more "resourceful" in your scavenging and be more "efficient" but it won't be completely gone in 24 hours. That said? Using a vehicle after 72 hours? DICEY.
 
I would totally over analyze a silly question, or take a cz 858. Cant operate operationally with an itty bitty titty 10 round non removable clipazine, thats un operator as fck. Besides, its a well known fact that wielding an sks is the first step to catching the ###.

Funny!
 
A SKS , a lee enfield , just about any lee enfield ,

why do i say so ........look at afghanistan

SKS wouldn't be my first choice for bears though. YMMV and certainly SOME OF YOU will have considerably better luck with .303 than I do but last time I went shopping? I decided to have a quick gander in the sports section and see what types/calibers were stocked. Only a handful of boxes of .303 but CRATES of 7.62x54mm Rimmed PILED TO THE CEILING (okay not literally but for all intents and purposes..... they may as well have been) so check with what is actually available FIRST.
 
SKS and spam cans if on a budget. I love mine for a Milsurp hands down. Way way more 7.62x39 and SKSs out there than any other Milsurp.

SHTF? It comes down to what you carry and can you hit what you need to?

To me it's an AR15 nothing else. Why? How much ammo can you carry and really how far will you be shooting hunting? Most say a max of 300 yards with really being 75 to 100 yards being norm.

At 100 yards I would never hesitate to take a deer if starving, as I know what I can hit at 100 yards. Would I ever use a centerfire on rabbits, grouse, and other small game up close? Of course not. Would I use my CMMG .22 rimfire kit instead of .223/5.56 of course!

So carrying a backpack and ammo pouches, how many .223 mags would I be able to carry ? Lots. Room for 2 or 3 500 round rimfire bricks, damn right!

Do I like the punch of a .308, 30-006, of course! When I run out of ammo would I win using my out of ammo bigger bore rifle against a mag of .223 or a mag of .22s, don't think so....
 
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