Best Milsurp rifle for SHTF

grelmar said:
None of those would help if we were invaded. Really, only 3 nations might invade Canada, and only 1 is likely to (just not in the foreseeable future).

1. Russia: This is the one people think about when they imagine Canada getting invaded. But it isn't likely at all to ever happen. They'd only invade as a side-note to invading the US, and that isn't a ground war they want to get into. They'd be far more likely to just nuke North America into a giant sheet of radioactive glass, if it ever came down to a pissing match between the US and Russia. And they've mostly retired 7.62x39 at this point, except for second line and home guard militia types. Their frontline troops have been using 5.45x39 since the 80's.

2. China: The great human wave sweeping across the land. Except they'd have to cross an ocean to do it. They don't have the navy to pull off an overseas invasion. And they don't have the logistics supply chain structure to support it even if they did. We'd have a decade or so of prep time while we watched them build up the necessary ships and logistics to even make an attempt. And they're currently standardized on the 5.8x42 for the QBZ-95 (the military version of the Type-97 we see here), although they still have a LOT of Type 81's (7.62x39) in frontline service, they are moving away from it.

3. The US: People are going to ask me to pull out my tinfoil hat here, but bear with me a sec. Of the 3, in the long haul, the US is BY FAR the most likely to invade Canada. Not anytime soon, but it's very conceivable, in the future, and not for the reason most people think. It isn't Oil. It's all about Water. Even without climate change, Canada already exports massive amounts of fresh water through pipelines to the US, largely to California to support their agricultural. As the US population continues to grow, as does intensive agriculture requiring more and more water, this export is set to increase over time. It is very conceivable where they start asking for more than we're able/willing to send. Add in climate change, and it becomes very conceivable that the pressure to invade in order to secure access to fresh water would become intense. The US is standardized on 5.56 currently, and that isn't changing anytime soon. However, with the time scales we're talking about (50-70 years down the road), counting on them still being standardized on that round is a muggins game.
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We’d be better off if the Americans annexed Ottawa and liberated us.
 
grelmar said:
None of those would help if we were invaded. Really, only 3 nations might invade Canada, and only 1 is likely to (just not in the foreseeable future).

1. Russia: This is the one people think about when they imagine Canada getting invaded. But it isn't likely at all to ever happen. They'd only invade as a side-note to invading the US, and that isn't a ground war they want to get into. They'd be far more likely to just nuke North America into a giant sheet of radioactive glass, if it ever came down to a pissing match between the US and Russia. And they've mostly retired 7.62x39 at this point, except for second line and home guard militia types. Their frontline troops have been using 5.45x39 since the 80's.

2. China: The great human wave sweeping across the land. Except they'd have to cross an ocean to do it. They don't have the navy to pull off an overseas invasion. And they don't have the logistics supply chain structure to support it even if they did. We'd have a decade or so of prep time while we watched them build up the necessary ships and logistics to even make an attempt. And they're currently standardized on the 5.8x42 for the QBZ-95 (the military version of the Type-97 we see here), although they still have a LOT of Type 81's (7.62x39) in frontline service, they are moving away from it.

3. The US: People are going to ask me to pull out my tinfoil hat here, but bear with me a sec. Of the 3, in the long haul, the US is BY FAR the most likely to invade Canada. Not anytime soon, but it's very conceivable, in the future, and not for the reason most people think. It isn't Oil. It's all about Water. Even without climate change, Canada already exports massive amounts of fresh water through pipelines to the US, largely to California to support their agricultural. As the US population continues to grow, as does intensive agriculture requiring more and more water, this export is set to increase over time. It is very conceivable where they start asking for more than we're able/willing to send. Add in climate change, and it becomes very conceivable that the pressure to invade in order to secure access to fresh water would become intense. The US is standardized on 5.56 currently, and that isn't changing anytime soon. However, with the time scales we're talking about (50-70 years down the road), counting on them still being standardized on that round is a muggins game.
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7.62X39 Is used by many nations.
 
new said:
7.62X39 Is used by many nations.
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In the 3rd World and North Africa, sure. But it's a deprecated round (still in service, but for 2nd line troops) by virtually all the former commbloc nations. Most have switched over to 5.45x39 or 5.56 NATO, depending on what team they're with now. And no one from the 3rd World or North Africa is going to invade Canada.
 
SKS - It was my choice of a SHTF... you know, because reasons.

Source: https://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/sks-canadian-preppers/

I see you are Windsor, There is a Cabela's there. I just bought my 1st SKS last month from my Local store... $239 on sale, Refurbished state.

Took it apart, cleaned and back together with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKllAKFy3i8

Shot it at a friends farm, 40 rounds of non-corrosive ammo (Do yourself a favour, just spend the extra- buy the better) - 12$ for 20 rounds of FMJ - that's at store prices, not even bulk. Get some Soft Point and you can even do some hunting.

Was a good day, we fired a .308, 30-06, and a 20g shotgun that day as well... The SKS was louder by far and the least recoil. Beware - Those shells like to fly all over though haha

Mine is currently in it's original form... But ATI makes an awesome looking stock and lots of options for sight upgrades and the like... Check out the EE - Lots on there for a good deal as well. Wish I'd looked there more before going through Cabela's tbh
 
7.62x39 is a very good round and I'm surprised it's not wild catted. It's not outdated, even with newer exotic rounds. Realistically as far as Milsurp SHTF it's without a doubt an SKS. I like my enfields, but I like my SKS too.
 
Nuclear bombs do not exist, the cold war is a hoax. After WW2 the Allies and USSR created both to keep citizens scared and thinking the appaclypse is right around the corner. Psychological Operations at there best.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were firebombed.
Photoshop tnt explosions seem to convince the masses.
 
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bryan.14 said:
Nuclear bombs do not exist, the cold war is a hoax. After WW2 the Allies and USSR created both to keep citizens scared and thinking the appaclypse is right around the corner. Psycological Operations at there best.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were firebombed.
Photoshop tnt explosions seem to convince the masses.
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I like pudding.
 
xdmer said:
7.62x39 is a very good round and I'm surprised it's not wild catted.
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7.62x39 has been a 'wildcat' starting with the .220 Russian. Eventually spawning into the 22 Pup, 220 Beggs, 22 PPC, 6.5 PPC, 6.5 Grendel... etc. 5.45x39, 9x39 are popular rounds based on the 7.62x39 parent case.
 
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Just Googled SHTF.... fml i either need more coffee today or a good nap.

Gotta agree though, a SKS is likely our best milsurp option. Otherwise a 12 gauge is the best choice overall.
 
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