BCL102 Range Review, SECOND RANGE TRIP POST 123!!!

rally guy said:
That is the biggest load of crap I read all week! Big man you go to the gym? You think everyone here is a middle age men with a beer belly? Some of us are in shape and some are hunting not just bench shooting. Bull barrel are awsome on a bench but try walking in the wood with one?

Fact of the matter is a bull barrel is awsome on the bench but is useless in any mobile shooting; while a lightweight or medium flutted as proven to be as accurate on the range ( but gets hot faster) and will dominate on the feild.

Some might never have touch gym weight but you sir sound like you never got of the sooting bench.
Click to expand...


I grew up hunting coyote and deer, so yes I've been off the bench. & Our hunting was all with a heavy wooden stock hunting rifle, all off hand with no bipods.

It's the same with bikers complaining about the weight of their bikes while they're 50lbs overweight, perhaps it's the human and not the machine.
 
cr5 said:
...when talking about the MH it's nothing but complaining that the parts are not what every individual wanted exactly and the DPMS parts are supposedly sub standard.
Click to expand...

It's pretty much a build your own, the only way people would complain that the parts weren't what they wanted would be if they bought it second hand, or couldn't afford to option it out the way they wanted. And when you're paying around $3500 for a BASE model (before tax and shipping) of a boutique gun, I would consider dpms parts substandard.



cr5 said:
...I am pretty sure than anyone who hadn't held either one previously would pick a MH over a 102 if you just put both rifles on a table with no brand markings and said pick the nicest one.
Click to expand...

Too subjective. One obviously 'looks' more expensive,so to some people, that's the nicer one. But then some people would prefer the more traditional look, so to them it's nicer.
 
KND said:
Make it to two weeks, I can send my ATRS Modern hunter to you on my dime. We just need somebody else to send out BCL102.
Click to expand...

I can't control the weather and 2 wks may be all bad.

Can't even get to our ranges right now due to fire closure. But the fall is coming.

When I do a test, it will take several range trips and I don't get to shoot everyday so.... I do a full work up with ammo loaded to match specs tuned as best as possible, for the rifle. This is not a 1 trip, random load type of test.

for anyone interested in my testing, pm or email and we can work out the details.

Thanks

Jerry
 
Jay said:
I put the TriggerTech AR15 adjustable drop in trigger pack. WORKS GREAT!

Cheers
Jay
Click to expand...

I was thinking of going that route as well. Best place to buy from for the lowest price? Still undecided on if I'll upgrade the existing trigger or just replace it.
 
Epoxy7 said:
I was thinking of going that route as well. Best place to buy from for the lowest price? Still undecided on if I'll upgrade the existing trigger or just replace it.
Click to expand...

The actual Trigger Tech website seems to be the best I can find. Plus you can get additional finishes on the trigger that I haven't seen available from retailers. I'm hoping a retailer has a sale on them before mine arrives from the second batch.
 
Has anyone experienced these so called light primer strikes with a ar-15 trigger instead of AR-10 specific trigger?
im assuming the spring is just different on the ar-10 triggers. finally caught up reading all 200 posts.
I see earlier on a fellow mentioned you can get light strikes with just a normal ar-15 trigger assembly.
Just wondering, would hate to be elk hunting and have a click no bang.
 
s3xspert11 said:
Has anyone experienced these so called light primer strikes with a ar-15 trigger instead of AR-10 specific trigger?
im assuming the spring is just different on the ar-10 triggers. finally caught up reading all 200 posts.
I see earlier on a fellow mentioned you can get light strikes with just a normal ar-15 trigger assembly.
Just wondering, would hate to be elk hunting and have a click no bang.
Click to expand...

Also the hammer is usually bigger.
 
s3xspert11 said:
Has anyone experienced these so called light primer strikes with a ar-15 trigger instead of AR-10 specific trigger?
im assuming the spring is just different on the ar-10 triggers. finally caught up reading all 200 posts.
I see earlier on a fellow mentioned you can get light strikes with just a normal ar-15 trigger assembly.
Just wondering, would hate to be elk hunting and have a click no bang.
Click to expand...

The Trigger Tech Triggers ones are marketed as being able to avoid the light primer strike issue because of the way they are designed. I just got mine today. Ordered from CTCS. Got the curved trigger though, not the straight one. Just waiting receiving my rifle so I can install.
 
s3xspert11 said:
Didn't know that, but good to know for sure.
Click to expand...

It's pretty common to use AR15 triggers in AR10s. Just make sure you read a couple reviews first. Also, from what I read the light strikes were rare and only reported on old milsurp, not hunting ammo.

Couple guys have Trigger Tech, Geissele SSA-E and I've got a CMC coming . From what I've read all of these will work fine.
 
thanks for the great info guys, Been looking into timney as I run them on all my rifles. However I may just have to give
a trigger tech a try. ( they all seem good I think its just preference at this point)
 
Hasn't anyone else shot theirs yet?
No more pictures?

Are these shipping one per day or something? I though I read they were sending them in batches of thirty per shipment, why so few pics and range reviews?


wicked_police said:
It's pretty much a build your own, the only way people would complain that the parts weren't what they wanted would be if they bought it second hand, or couldn't afford to option it out the way they wanted. And when you're paying around $3500 for a BASE model (before tax and shipping) of a boutique gun, I would consider dpms parts substandard.
Click to expand...

I know how the order process works, I own a MH.
$3500 boutique gun? How much do most other rack grade non restricted rifles cost? Seems like a bargain when you really compare, the NEA has changed the game but it won't last unless the positive reports keep coming and NEA is well known for letting crap make it to the customer instead of catching problems at QC.
I guess people want more options. Rick replaced a couple lowers for owners who didn't know what they were doing but tried to remove the trigger pack and somehow ruined the lower. I wouldn't have done it for free since it was 100% owner error but he did it anyway.
People here tend to forget that the "BASE" MH comes with a Timney trigger and a stainless match grade barrel which is $1000+. There have been plenty of guys who have shot sub moa with theirs but gave up posting because anything positive posted about the MH seems to be met with ignorance. It's not like the MH has a DPMS trigger or receiver, other than the BCG it's just some springs and pins so for those parts I couldn't care less what brand they are. When it comes to the BCG, if there really are problems with it like Epoxy7 likes to tell us then luckily it just the extractor or the extractor spring which is cheap to replace, and since the carrier is pretty much never going to wear out or break and any DPMS pattern AR-10 bolt will fit without modifications then even if ATRS won't warranty it in five years it's still only going to cost a couple hundred dollars max but more likely $30 for some springs and an extractor. So are those DPMS parts really a problem in a $3500 rifle? As long as it's locking up nicely the BCG makes no difference in how the rifle shoots so who cares what brand it is as long as it is reliable, I still haven't heard of anyone having a bolt failure so I guess it's less of an issue than people make it out to be.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the 102 in any way, I just think it's stupid to be posting pics of tombstones for the MH like the 102 will be the end of it after a couple range reviews that so far have only shown that it is reliable after you modify your magazines. This is a great start but hardly even a feeler for what the rifle will be once more people start shooting them. I'm hoping NEA has their QC department tuned in as well, I'd hate to see guys having problems with these.
Even though I have absolutely no use for another rifle like this since I already have a MH in 6.5cm, a full custom M305 with Krieger barrel plus a less modified M305 I may have to give the 102 a try if the positive reports keep coming.

I don't think it's really a fair comparison between the two rifles anyway, to me the 102 is competition for the DPMS AR-10 series and the Modern Hunter is more along the lines of Knights Armament or LMT but even that is a little off since those are still going for military rifle so reliability is still top priority even though they supply a premium barrel while ATRS may have sacrificed a little reliability for improved accuracy not realizing that there are very few people who are capable of shooting well enough to notice but everyone notices when the rifle jams.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom