Just somethin I been working on ~ Yes, I am still alive!!

I'm really digging the forend channel routing jig. Beautiful jig.

thanks! - it does work, I managed to do all the routing on the receiver end of the No.3 with it - fits perfect:

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(also the calculator is the closest thing I have to a computer in the shop) :)


so the jig does ~work~ but has issues:

- I used gussets (glued of course!) to keep the table tops & sides square while clamping. problem is that it is designed to clamp into my bench vise, the gussets on the inboard table interfere with that. I had to add a big fat block of scrap behind the inboard table

- because I ignored physics, the vise clamps more at the bottom of the jig than at the top - I had to cut inlets into the sides to allow a couple of large C-clamps to actually hold the jig/work without the top springing open. the vise just holds the jig now does not apply clamping pressure.

- the outboard table sags, so I added the 2 cut outs and strips underneath - still sags, I had to use a couple of wedges to raise the outboard table level with the inboard table. .... (otherwise the router rocks back and forth - not good when using a 3.5hp router with a 1/2 spiral bit!!)


So as mentioned ~ lessons learned, Mk.II is already in the concept phase.
- more of a "box" affair with a single piece top
- chip clearing holes
- some kind of venting for the dust extractor
- address the clamping issues (probably fixed toggle clamps)
- dispense with the bench vise, it's a little too high to work comfortably with the router (routers have minds of their own!), I'd like to be able to clamp or bolt it to a shop tool stand.
- better fence design, for faster more precise adjustments & easy removal (which it isn't now)
- ability to attach polycarbonate templates*

Mk.II will probably be approximately the same size for fore ends & basic butt stocks - Mk.III is also on the horizon & will be of sufficient dimensions that I can do full length long rifle barrel channels (up to 44"!!!) we'll have to see if I learn anything new from designing Mk.II

* I have a (cunning) plan for creating templates that would let me do the gross removal for swamped barrels ~ specifically swamped octagon...... if you have ever inlet a swamped octagon barrel; I feel for you. ;)
 
Ya.. I think they call it Bailey's or some thing like that...and it mixes well with coffee to help keep you "alert" thru those bouts .LOL

If I may make a suggestion on your "I'm considering a mill-drill" statement...all mill-drills have a quill that travels up and down but most belt driven machines still have the limitations you are fighting now with your drill press. Make sure you consider one with a gear drive head that can be rotated 90 deg. in both directions, this will give you the ability to use the full length of the table travel as a feed distance. it also allows you to "angle drill" as you show in some photo's.
 
Ya.. I think they call it Bailey's or some thing like that...and it mixes well with coffee to help keep you "alert" thru those bouts .LOL

If I may make a suggestion on your "I'm considering a mill-drill" statement...all mill-drills have a quill that travels up and down but most belt driven machines still have the limitations you are fighting now with your drill press. Make sure you consider one with a gear drive head that can be rotated 90 deg. in both directions, this will give you the ability to use the full length of the table travel as a feed distance. it also allows you to "angle drill" as you show in some photo's.

I was thinking more Lagavulin and percasets ... but mayne I have bigger problems than most.

as to the mill drill ... meh, looking at $4k to get into something that does not quite do what I need. I do some milling here and there - but not enough to buy a dedicated machine. For the most part they seem to have a "depth of cut" listed rather than spindle/quill travel. usually seems a combination of quill travle, table & sometimes gear head travel.... I think my original plan to upgrade to a press with a 6" travel is probably the better option. If I can find one with a decent table that can be set accurately (ha!) I could always set it perpendicular to the spindle and use either an angle plate or sine plate + a precision vise for work holding. ho-hum ... that's the problem with drill presses I suppose, not really designed of r high tolerance - soon as you need that go to the mill drill & ream...

oh well. mew bandsaw comes first anyway. :)
 
I have been able to salvage wood with cracks using either cyanoacrylate (super-glue) or good epoxy like G2 heated up before application to make it flow better.

the stock on the Mod.92 at the beginning of this thread had small cracks and bits falling out in the burl - that got repaired with CA ... you can't even tell where now....
sadly the No.3 fore end was not salvageable in that manner .... the biggest problem being that it will get a water based aniline dye finish, won't be able to apply that over an epoxy or CA type repair... :(

I use G2 quite a bit with either colloidal silica or microfibers to get the consistency and properties I want. it has a service temperature upwards of 160F a bit more depending on additive - but still shopping for something that has a slightly higher resistance to heat. Not much out there that doesn't require a second cure.... :(
 
the stock on the Mod.92 at the beginning of this thread had small cracks and bits falling out in the burl - that got repaired with CA ... you can't even tell where now....
sadly the No.3 fore end was not salvageable in that manner .... the biggest problem being that it will get a water based aniline dye finish, won't be able to apply that over an epoxy or CA type repair... :(

I use G2 quite a bit with either colloidal silica or microfibers to get the consistency and properties I want. it has a service temperature upwards of 160F a bit more depending on additive - but still shopping for something that has a slightly higher resistance to heat. Not much out there that doesn't require a second cure.... :(

I wasn't thinking about the dye but you're 100% correct. I usually luck into cracked burl wood for knife handles at a discount and I can manage to glue them up to where you can't notice. It's always nice to be able to salvage what would be a $50 set of ironwood scales that someone thought were useless.
 
Wow - been so busy, so far behind, but got an entire long weekend to catch up in the shop, just some pics from Saturday:

- Fore end is completely inlet, bolt hole drilled & rescued ebony end glued up
- butt stock is completely inlet & fitted
- stock bolt hole is drilled (whew!)
- everything is test fit!

Today (Sunday) we are going to:
- spend an hour at the range with a new Mosin :)
- fit & inlet the butt plate
- locate & inlet the bipod lug.
- start shaping!!!

If all goes well, we should be ready for dye by end of day on Monday. Lots of pics taken, will spread them over several posts this time... but lets start with these:

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Here is where we start with the butt stock inletting - just the gross material has been removed with the router at this point.


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Could not do the top of the action, so that had to be measured & cut by hand - wish I had cut the blank a little tighter, that was a lot of material to go through.


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At this point I am using dry erase markers as a transfer agent ... they work well & don't penetrate into the wood much, but can be really tough to get into tight areas.
Here; we can see there is still a ways to go to get that nice tight fit.


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Checking the fit with a scalpel blade. Generally I'm satisfied with the fit when I can't get the tip of the blade in there.... :)


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Checking to make sure the top of the butt stock remains parallel with the bore while inletting .




So one of the big things with making stocks/inletting is finding a good transfer agent, generally referred to as 'inletting black' - same idea as 'prussian blue' or layout ink for metal working ..
the problem is, that it's not readily available in Canada (volatile, won't ship across the border) so there's all kinds of crazy 'home made black' recipes out there. Mostly what you hear is blackening with a candle/lamp, dry erase, sharpies, lip stick (yes, lip stick!!)- I've used them all (including layout inks - but not lip stick) all have problems.

But I think I came across something that shows GREAT promise...... That is ... oil paint, (very expensive Windsor & Newton oil paint)
I realized I had a stack of this stuff sitting around from my toy airplane building days & it has all the properties that I want in a transfer agent!!

- very thick & does not penetrate wood well (it will get into the pores)
- moderate dry time - aka good open working time
- can be applied to tight areas
- color can be matched close to (any) final finish color in case there is some staining
- easy clean up (so easy!!)

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Here it is applied with a brush - probably not preferred, a natural sponge would be better, but you don't actually have to reapply it after fitting, you can just 'push it around' a little.
To finish off this receiver, I used less than a pea sized dab. a $40 tube will last a lifetime
(prices vary by color, depends what sorts of materials go into them - if I remember correctly white will be the most expensive)



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Beautiful clear transfer, no smudging almost no penetration and doesn't dull your tools (like some agents will!)

So I'm going to pick up some small natural sponges today & see if I can improve on the properties by adding microfibers &/or silica, just to see if I can keep it from penetrating the pores at all.


Finally for today, some tools. Thought it might be interesting to see what tools I use:

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From Left to right:

- a couple of chip carving knives, I bought 2 different profiles from a 'mid-grade' quality manufacturer to see which profile I liked better & was more useful.
Turns out "both" - but these ones do not stay sharp very long, an upgrade is required. BTW, they get used mostly for layout lines, clearing areas where you can't get a chisel but primarily creating a stop cut.

- scalpel, you saw how I used that - could use a feeler guage I suppose, but this works. It has no use for cutting or inletting. none at all.

- 6" engineer's steel ruler. INDISPENSABLE!!! an absolute must have (graduated in 32s, 64s, mm and .5mm)

- drill bit... :) this one just happened to be there, got some nice high quality brad points recently, this is one of them - you'll see more in a follow up post.

- pencil: you may have noticed that I lay things out and plan pretty meticulously - layout marks all over the place. This guy is just one of the culprits.

- bees wax, an absolute must IMO - keeps bit cool, prevents squealing in those deep holes & will seal up those deep holes as well.

- chisels. I shopped long and hard trying to pick which chisels I would NEED & use the most. Did pretty good there are only 2 out of I think around 10 or 12 that don't get regular use.
At $40 a piece, I wanted to choose carefully, I like the Two Cherrys over the Pfiels, I find they hold an edge longer. anyway - the first 2 are 5mm & 10mm Pfiel straight gouges, they just happen to have the same 1/2" radius as the end of a Winchester tang. very handy, 3rd is a Two Cherry 10mm skew, good for cutting flat received ends. next 3 are all straight beveled chisels. the widest is good for cleaning up the insides of receiver inlets. ......

That thing in the middle that looks like a ruler?? That is a scraper. I make those things as needed in the profile needed from cabinet scrapers, the cheapest & probably most used tool of all (other than measuring tools) You can cut & grind them to match a specific barrel profile, square them up to get into tight spaces, a nice flat one works great for cutting a butt plate inlet... WAY-WAY-WAY faster and cleaner than sandpaper for cleaning up rasp marks (technically it is a 'finishing' tool)
- best of all you can pick up a pack of them for like $10 cut em as needed with an angle grinder.


Off to the range, more to come :)
 
A bunch oh years ago I bawt a Richard's stawk.
Dang thang wuzz overly plump, boarder lined oh beast.
Stared lawng'n hard at it.
Then thuh lite bulb lit biggest time.
Went and bawt an air board sander.
Werks slicker'n chit and qwick to take down ell plumpitnest.
Nice thing is the long face will prevent dibbitittness or pawkitts.
 
A bunch oh years ago I bawt a Richard's stawk.
Dang thang wuzz overly plump, boarder lined oh beast.
Stared lawng'n hard at it.
Then thuh lite bulb lit biggest time.
Went and bawt an air board sander.
Werks slicker'n chit and qwick to take down ell plumpitnest.
Nice thing is the long face will prevent dibbitittness or pawkitts.


power sanding is something I like to avoid - still do it from time to time, but I have some rasps that will remove material faster + a couple of scrapers and can get there just as fast.

A good oscillating edge sander would be handy though :)

Will probably have the rasps out today.
 
A few more pics to continue yesterdays post ... all to do with locating and drilling the stock bolt hole - a task I fear!

So the action is completely inlet and ready to go - just need to locate the entry and exit points for the hole(s), the bolt is 0.25 diameter & 4" long (or so)
minus the amount of thread in the action, the hole needs to be 3.5" deep into the butt stock (give or take). To get a screw driver in from the other end (to tighten/loosen the bolt) we need a 5/8" hole nearing 9" deep to meet that one ~ pretty much perfectly. an off center hole will eventually bend the bolt & probably rock the action out of alignment with all the inletting. (Winchesters do the same thing!)


First task is to locate the small diameter hole inside the action inlet:

I suppose I could have measured it ~ but this lets me know exactly where it will end up...

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Cut off the threads on a 0.25" hex head bolt, the original threads were 24tpi... (this was far less)


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Ground to a point & threaded with the same 24tpi that the receiver is tapped for


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Done.

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fits


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cut off the hex head...


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Screw it in point facing out - fit the butt stock & give it a couple taps with a leather faced mallet (not pictured)


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Hard to see in the pic, but there is the little divot where my bolt hole needs to start.


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Now measure the bolt-to-butt angle & mark it on the end of the butt stock ~ the start hole for the larger dimension.




Now drilling the actual holes....

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to drill that I got some very nice Dimar/Nova 8mm brad point bits with varying flute lengths (I am done with spiral points!!)
(http://dimar-canada.com/products.php?m=56&idp=125)

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Same idea as the fore end, but we are going to clamp directly to the press table (lining it up with a laser again)


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I'm going to 'drill between centers' this time, so I setup the table with the center line of a scrap from the butt stock blank (same thickness of the work * already has the center line)


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Drill a center hole with one of the 8mm bits (they cut real nice & true!)


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I'm using one of the 8mm bits as one of the centers.


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set our mark on the end of the butt stock on the center, line up the mark in our action inlet with the powered bit


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a little test to make sure its in the right spot... and finish drilling to depth


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flip it over, use one of the longer bits to mount the bolt hole on,


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locate & clamp on the mark on the end of the butt stock - drill a starter hole for the 5/8" bit. I can only get maybe 3-4" deep with this one.


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leaves us with a couple more inches to go, gonna have to use an auger bit now


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I should probably invest in the correct brace ... :)


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I've always had 'meh' luck with auger bits, but this one from lee valley performed like a champ!


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BANG! dead on - I am very happy :)


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just right (there is a little washer/spacer at the other end)
Nice thing about this is that if the bolt turns out too long, you can always make another one, it's got a common thread, not like some older guns!




Could anyone resist a a test fit at this point??

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Some fiddling today before starting work, need to clean up the parts & get the action back together

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hmm - lotta parts there - no worries, I took a P38 apart once, it went back together with no spares ;)


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this is the part that sucks - that spring is really tough to work with. there is a little pin in there to keep the spring under tension when you remove or install it...



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Sometimes this happens when you remove the pin :(



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Then you get to make a tool to try to re-install it.


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Now check that the fore end 'really' is inlet



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close, but nope. just a tiny bit of scraping & adjusting. 20 minutes, no big deal.


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Cleaning up the ebony tip to prep for shaping the fore end.



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some layout with the marking guage to incorporate a design feature



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design feature rough shaped (we'll clean it up later)





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mark the location of the bipod lug


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inlet it


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test fit - it does not have to be *super* neat as it's going to be covered with epoxy when we bed the fore end anyway ... an irritating little side note, the lug was not centered on the back plate either forwards and back nor side to side ... hmmmf.





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And it comes to a crashing halt with the discovery of a small crack on the inside of the tip - lucky this one is an easy super glue fix - but ends the fore end for the day
moving on......







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The butt plate is not symmetrical & has some weird melting looking defect. Lucky I have permission to modify, I'm just gonna carve that asymmetrical 'horn' off and leave it flat.
It will look better anyway & offers a lot more options down the road if someone wants to change either the butt plate or shape of the stock.



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good thing I stayed away from the grinder - whatever this plastic is it offers no resistance!



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Mark & drill the holes for the plate, I usually use some beeswax & run them in and out a few times. These are some slotted wood screws that came with the old plate, too narrow and small headed, going to have to find some better ones as these are just tearing up the plastic of the new plate. Maybe Lee Valley will have something nice..



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first test fit using the oil paint again - I use the cabinet scraper primarily on butt ends makes quick work of end grain.



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Not long to get to this point, pretty much full contact :) OBTW, the oil paint is working out great, easy to clean with turpentine or mineral spirits when you are done. HOWEVER almost impossible to clean if you leave it a day.



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DONE - with temporary screws.




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A quick mock up to make sure everything feels good




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back to the bandsaw to trim off some fat in prep for shaping the butt
(that's a dust deputy I use for dust on the saw - highly recommended!)





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Mount the btt plate & start laying out lines for the material we can hog off quickly



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extend those lines with the marking guage



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More lines! Those are Ariou Rasps .... one of those 'lifetime' tool purchases. I want to pick up a 3rd one with an even finer cut ~ but they are not cheap!
http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=65242&cat=1,42524,53823



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sharpening up my favorite tool for the fun part - I'll have to sharpen this guy 3 or 4 times during shaping..


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removing the gross material between my layout lines here - this IS the fun part


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Shavings get everywhere - mint & maple shaving tea.... mmmm...




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More fun with the spoke shave, this part goes quite quickly as a matter of fact :)


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You can keep checking for symmetry by using equal lighting on each side of the stock & checking for shadows, also by 'feel' ~ with a bit of practice by running your hands across each side, you can 'feel' inconsistencies side to side.
You can check for trueness by sighting along the side looking for shadows & at a later point using a straight edge & pencil.
I find the best technique (for me) is to get it looking good, leave it for a day, come back and look again ;)



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Trigger is in the way - not something I wanted to do, but it's gonna have to come out. :(


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Still pretty beefy, but coming right along. This is the point where it gets left for a day. Next bit we can get closer to the metal with the spoke shave, but then it has to get marked, come off the action and work it from there (we can't take a chance hitting the receiver with a file or blade .... that would be bad. )
 
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Getting close to finished - it should be back home this weekend!!


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Sanded down to 400 grit, whiskered & tacked off, ready for dye, new hand made little brass bushings for the fore end bolt & bipod lug there as well



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Applying the dye with a sponge really helps control the blotching you can sometimes get with maple & water based dyes.



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the color!!!



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When the dye first dries the color looks REALLY off.... at this point I can still wet sand it with some dye in case some of the grains stand up a little bit.


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First coat of Tru-oil, really brings the color back - I find curly maple REALLY sucks up the oil, lost about a quarter bottle on the first coat alone.


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A sneak peek at the next project.... :)


That's it, just keep applying Tru-oil until I like the color depth & finish.
 
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Love it Sean! I have a buddy that designs coins and the picture with that 2 inch perfectly sharp pencil really reminded me of his work bench. True artists. Awesome stuff.
 
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