Colt MRR 16' or Daniel Defence V11 16'

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Cant deicide which one, has to be right as this is my first AR purchase.

I'm looking for the following characteristics in order;

Reliability
Quality of manufacture
Accuracy
Balance
Weight
Cost

I've read reviews on both, and they both seem to be the 'Top Dogs" in there class. The hat seems to tip in favour of the Colt MRR in Accuracy, and in the same breath DD is reportably much better in QC.

Ideas?
 
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i think ill go with Daniel Defence V7 LW, based entirely on there customer service. I would like to support a Canadian company but Colt Canada really does have a stick up its butt.
 
Ilove12gshotguns said:
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i think ill go with Daniel Defence V7 LW, based entirely on there customer service. I would like to support a Canadian company but Colt Canada really does have a stick up its butt.
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Agreed go with DD V7 LW. I have one and couldn't be happier, the weight isnt bad, it swings quite nicely
 
owned a ddv11. regret selling it.

I think the comment regarding colt's "stick up their butt" is true.

But i would add that Regardless of colt's track record or any possible problems, a colt will hold its resale because its a colt.
 
The DD will allow you to customize the handguard and the barrel is easily replaceable. It is also probably going to be lighter than the Colt.

The MRR is monolithic so the handguard and upper will maintain alignment through rougher handling than the DD - this might be valuable if sights are mounted on the handguard. It also has a chrome lined, hammer forged barrel that will likely last longer than that on the DD. This is good because it can't be changed without a special barrel wrench which only a few vendors seem to have.

As said, hard to go wrong with either.
 
I have a V7 LW and I love it.

I'm quite surprised the CC fanboys haven't taken over the thread saying a CC is the best thing since sliced bread yet! Edit: spoke too soon.

Pr589 said:
The DD will allow you to customize the handguard and the barrel is easily replaceable. It is also probably going to be lighter than the Colt.

The MRR is monolithic so the handguard and upper will maintain alignment through rougher handling than the DD - this might be valuable if sights are mounted on the handguard. It also has a chrome lined, hammer forged barrel that will likely last longer than that on the DD. This is good because it can't be changed without a special barrel wrench which only a few vendors seem to have.

As said, hard to go wrong with either.
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/Facepalm. DD also have cold hammer forged chrome lined barrels. Any actual proof of what you are saying or have you drunk too much of the CC coolaid?
 
Yes but I believe the Colt Canada barrels have thicker chrome and have a tapered profile to get back some of the accuracy lost to chrome lining a barrel along with most barrel profiles being an HBAR profile.

Both are great but I'm not sure where you have heard that DD is better in the QC department. I'm still waiting for DD to sell Carbines to either the U.S or Canadian militaries. They are pretty good at using all of the names of firearms that were built with Colt and FN firearms like the MK12, MK18, M4 etc. and marketing as their own.

Both great platforms, I'm sure you'd be happy with either no matter what fanboys on either side tell you.
 
Valaden said:
I have a V7 LW and I love it. I'm quite surprised the CC fanboys haven't taken over the thread saying a CC is the best thing since sliced bread yet! Edit: spoke too soon. /Facepalm. DD also have cold hammer forged chrome lined barrels. Any actual proof of what you are saying or have you drunk too much of the CC coolaid?
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Valaden - Thanks for joining the community to start fights and throw stones. Just read the DD website and the DD do have CHF barrels. Great! DD fanbois rule. There are still differences between the CC MRRs and the various models of DD that make them have certain advantages/disadvantages depending on the application/POU. CC MRRs are fundamentally military rifles re-tasked for civilian usage. DD defence has many models for different applications but fundamentally serve the civilian market. As said in my original post - weight and difficulty of barrel swap make CC rifles a less optimal choice in some situations (I'm thinking competition). The monolithic upper of the MRR and perhaps the heavy barrel and taper-bore (as pointed out by derrob7) make it better in heavy-use situations. I find myself not using my CC as much as my custom competition gun because the latter is faster, lighter and accurate enough for my shooting games but I like them both.
 
I personally would go DDM4V7
I don't know if I'd like the monolithic rail long term and a barrel change might be a big hassle
Plus CC's unique anodizing seems to be a slightly lighter shade than most so if you ever wanted to throw on a different upper, they won't totally match.
Some may or may not care about that but it's something to consider.
 
Im partial to the CC myself, as ive been using one as part of my job for 9+ years now. But on the civy side of things, i wont be getting into a gun fight... EVER. So i find myself drawn to something else, maybe more exotic. Call it the 10 year itch.

Ive also seen what the CC rifles can do at the range in the hands of myself, and countless others. 1-3 MOA is the norm, it all depends on the particular bolt lottery of the day, shooting conditions, if youve had enough coffee or maybe too much. Never had a CC C-8 fail or seen one fail due to the firearm.

Some would think because of this that i would pick the CC and be super biased, but not always true. Im more excited to see what the others guys can do, and if they are actual worth it to buy at all. At the end of the day if its a big POS, and i hate it, it can be sold. Im not getting in firefights with this thing, or even hunting with it....

Just wanted to get some first hand experience on the 2 rifles, to see whether to stick with CC or give DD a try.

Jeez Guys try to keep the poop throwing on some other thread, and stick to actual advice.
 
Pr589 said:
Valaden - Thanks for joining the community to start fights and throw stones. Just read the DD website and the DD do have CHF barrels. Great! DD fanbois rule. There are still differences between the CC MRRs and the various models of DD that make them have certain advantages/disadvantages depending on the application/POU. CC MRRs are fundamentally military rifles re-tasked for civilian usage. DD defence has many models for different applications but fundamentally serve the civilian market. As said in my original post - weight and difficulty of barrel swap make CC rifles a less optimal choice in some situations (I'm thinking competition). The monolithic upper of the MRR and perhaps the heavy barrel and taper-bore (as pointed out by derrob7) make it better in heavy-use situations. I find myself not using my CC as much as my custom competition gun because the latter is faster, lighter and accurate enough for my shooting games but I like them both.
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Ilove12gshotguns said:
Im partial to the CC myself, as ive been using one as part of my job for 9+ years now. But on the civy side of things, i wont be getting into a gun fight... EVER. So i find myself drawn to something else, maybe more exotic. Call it the 10 year itch.

Ive also seen what the CC rifles can do at the range in the hands of myself, and countless others. 1-3 MOA is the norm, it all depends on the particular bolt lottery of the day, shooting conditions, if youve had enough coffee or maybe too much. Never had a CC C-8 fail or seen one fail due to the firearm.

Some would think because of this that i would pick the CC and be super biased, but not always true. Im more excited to see what the others guys can do, and if they are actual worth it to buy at all. At the end of the day if its a big POS, and i hate it, it can be sold. Im not getting in firefights with this thing, or even hunting with it....

Just wanted to get some first hand experience on the 2 rifles, to see whether to stick with CC or give DD a try.

Jeez Guys try to keep the poop throwing on some other thread, and stick to actual advice.
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DD makes their rifles to milspec requirements, the same way CC does. The intended use has nothing to do with the quality of the gun just the feature set.
 
hbean said:
Diemaco only produces Mil Spec products, so all the barrels are chrome lined.
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The 18.6" MRR has a non chrome lined barrel for increased accuracy since it is intended to be a DMR setup. There are a lot of manufacturers out there that are doing this for greater accuracy gains.

11.6 and 16" MRR's are both standard CHF Chrome lined barrels.

Does anyone know what the barrel contour of the 16" MRR is? I've owned the 18.6" and currently use the 11.6" but not the 16".
 
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Ilove12gshotguns said:
Im partial to the CC myself, as ive been using one as part of my job for 9+ years now. But on the civy side of things, i wont be getting into a gun fight... EVER. So i find myself drawn to something else, maybe more exotic. Call it the 10 year itch.

Ive also seen what the CC rifles can do at the range in the hands of myself, and countless others. 1-3 MOA is the norm, it all depends on the particular bolt lottery of the day, shooting conditions, if youve had enough coffee or maybe too much. Never had a CC C-8 fail or seen one fail due to the firearm.

Some would think because of this that i would pick the CC and be super biased, but not always true. Im more excited to see what the others guys can do, and if they are actual worth it to buy at all. At the end of the day if its a big POS, and i hate it, it can be sold. Im not getting in firefights with this thing, or even hunting with it....

Just wanted to get some first hand experience on the 2 rifles, to see whether to stick with CC or give DD a try.

Jeez Guys try to keep the poop throwing on some other thread, and stick to actual advice.
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Can I ask why you are looking specifically for a 16". I find 14.5" is a great balance unless of course you are looking at bringing your carbine to the U.S. and then have to pin and weld a flash hider to it. Or maybe you are looking at more bench rest accuracy type stuff?
 
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