Best Milsurp rifle for SHTF

cyclone said:
Seems to me some of those hardest on the Mosin Nagant ... haven't really shot one fully cleaned of cosmoline....
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I owned 4 at one point because they were cheap.. As far as bolt action milsurp from the 20th century, they are right near the bottom, no way you can say they even come close to a k98 or Lee enfield
 
It's interesting as it seems this thread has 4 types of responses for best in class:

1) Milsurp bolt action, Mosin vs Enfield / K98 (Carcano a distant third);

2) NR semiautos - SKS first then Czechia 58s and 858s;

3) AR 15; and,

4) Maybe to 30-30 and one 357 pump / pistol combo posts.

With current supply, I would have to go 2 but, I like the thinking behind #4..... Holy crap is it hot today.

Kurgan - yes you are right updated.
 
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dimon said:
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It is a matter of personal opinion. In SHTF situation my choice will be Mosin over Enfield. It has much more robust and reliable action.
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Personally and perhaps regarding that, I've often wondered if the various bolt-heads on Lee-Enfields are any sign of issues that may - inordinately - occur with the longer term reliability of those rifles.


And, not that it needs to be said, let it be known that I'm a huge Lee-Enfield fan ... but loving something means being aware of its pros and its cons.
 
VanIsleCam said:
It's interesting as it seems this thread has 4 types of responses for best in class:

1) Milsurp bolt action Mosin vs Enfield (Carcano a distant third);

2) NR semiautos - SKS first then Czechia 58s and 858s;

3) AR 15; and,

4) Maybe to 30-30 and one 357 pump / pistol combo posts.

With current supply, I would have to go 2 but, I like the thinking behind #4..... Holy crap is it hot today.
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There were quite a few K98 suggestions... just say'in
 
VanIsleCam said:
It's interesting as it seems this thread has 4 types of responses for best in class:

1) Milsurp bolt action, Mosin vs Enfield / K98 (Carcano a distant third);

2) NR semiautos - SKS first then Czechia 58s and 858s;

3) AR 15; and,

4) Maybe to 30-30 and one 357 pump / pistol combo posts.

With current supply, I would have to go 2 but, I like the thinking behind #4..... Holy crap is it hot today.

Kurgan - yes you are right updated.
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And bumped...
 
Lee Enfield Snider .577.
When confronted, hand it to the stormtroopers. While they are arguing over what class of rifle it is, You can abscond with their hover-cruiser and patrol lasers.
 
It's a tough call for sure. Reliability versus availability. Would I trust my AR with my life? Hell no! They're pieces of crap! However, there's a ton of them and ammo available. It's a difficult decision for sure.

Cannon
 
Jonny_Cannon said:
It's a tough call for sure. Reliability versus availability. Would I trust my AR with my life? Hell no! They're pieces of crap! However, there's a ton of them and ammo available. It's a difficult decision for sure.

Cannon
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You either have a very crappy franken AR build with crap parts OR simply suck at maintaining an AR...
 
Been carrying an AR since the C7 version came out in the early 90's, my friend. Believe me, I know. There's a difference between carrying it in the sandbox and carrying at Comicon. I don't abide by fanboy opinions.

Cannon
 
Jonny_Cannon said:
Been carrying an AR since the C7 version came out in the early 90's, my friend. Believe me, I know. There's a difference between carrying it in the sandbox and carrying at Comicon. I don't abide by fanboy opinions.

Cannon
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Been using C7/C8 for 14 years, 18 months in the sand box, up North in the Artic, during amphibious operations and it followed me out of multiple aircraft. Was lucky enough to unbox my current C8 and saw some C7 and C7A2 with my birthyear in the serial number (86). Never once experienced the so called reliability issues mentionned by people about the AR15. Ran it dry, ran it wet, ran it very dirty. Got the barrel of one red hot.

The only issue I ever had was with the ####ty issued magazines that gets put back in the bin instead of being destroyed when flagged "N/S"... Solved the issue with pmags and whenever I run into problematic issued mags, I just crush them so they dont get issued to another guy.

Believe me, i'm no fanboy, and I'm very confident in what a properly maintained AR can accomplish
 
DT741 said:
Been using C7/C8 for 14 years, 18 months in the sand box, up North in the Artic, during amphibious operations and it followed me out of multiple aircraft. Was lucky enough to unbox my current C8 and saw some C7 and C7A2 with my birthyear in the serial number (86). Never once experienced the so called reliability issues mentionned by people about the AR15. Ran it dry, ran it wet, ran it very dirty. Got the barrel of one red hot.

The only issue I ever had was with the ####ty issued magazines that gets put back in the bin instead of being destroyed when flagged "N/S"... Solved the issue with pmags and whenever I run into problematic issued mags, I just crush them so they dont get issued to another guy.

Believe me, i'm no fanboy, and I'm very confident in what a properly maintained AR can accomplish
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The only time the C7 failed me was when moister got in it during winter EX. It was +2 raining one day and -30 the next :( But most guns would freeze solid from that weather.

I also tried dry graphite on my C8 in the "Sandbox" and boy did that fail lol. Lots of CLP is the better than alight coat in the desert IMO, muddy CLP is slicker than dry sand...

I will say a AK or SKS will handle a cocking handle kick with your boot better than a AR15 design...
 
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Dsiwy said:
The only time the C7 failed me was when moister got in it during winter EX. It was +2 raining one day and -30 the next :( But most guns would freeze solid from that weather.

I will say a AK or SKS will handle a cocking handle kick with your boot better than a AR15 design...
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I wouldnt kick start my cocking handle, especially the extended one. Butt to the ground, also referred as "motaring the rifle" works good for this scenario :p
 
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