So does Smellie still post to forums?

smellie and buffdog were assets to this forum, but honestly if either came back they wouldn't stay long this place is worse than when they retired from here.

Tinman, it's nice to hear they are both doing well.

BTW - does anyone know the name of the book smellie wrote, I keep meaning to get a copy.
 
I think Andy is partially correct in respects to thin skin. The real question is whether anyone's skin is thick enough to survive this place as it is now. It seem rational discourse with argument and counter argument has degenerated into insults and name calling. Civility must be obsolete and I just didn't keep up with the times.
On a side note, I can't imagine a person have enough socks to have an entire closet dedicated to just them. Must be quite a sight.
 
Andy said:
I think that Smellie's undoing was that he seems very thin-skinned, which caused him to regularly retreat to his sock closet when disagreements arose. After having been cajoled out with flattery a few times, I guess enough was enough.

That's too bad, because his reputation was solid and earned. Unlike many "experts" his knowledge was first-hand, not Googled and assembled and passed off as his own.
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This i think is just what my post was about, these "experts" you talk about, how do you know their knowledge was just "Googled and assembled and passed off as his own." their knowledge could be collected from decades of collecting & research (post counts amount to nothing) if you saw a 'disagreement' between smellie & another member, do you have the knowledge to know who is correct!? or is it because you put him up on a pedestal & his post count is high & been around for years that you automatically assume he is correct & the other guy is a Google warrior?

Sorry that seems to be a bit of a rant but its hard to put that point across without sounding that way, so sorry in advance Andy.

My comments are not a dig at smellie, while i disagreed with some of the stuff he has posted in the past, the majority was good & informative & totally agree he was/is a asset to the forum.
 
When you spend some time on forums and FB pages you get to know some names and get a general knowledge and can spot pseudo ''experts'' quite easily.
They tend to repeat the same things, make the same mistakes in their assessments and post the same pictures over and over again.
When Smellie was active i admit i did not have enough knowledge to challenge his owns but i do remember newbs calling him out and being plainly rude, like others have mentions.
Who would not be frustrated by a new collector challenging your claims and being rude about it...
Hell, even Skennerton himself has made mistakes over the years, so no one is above it.
But old collectors with hands on experience are getting hard to find... i will take the advice of someone that has handled hundreds of rifles over anybody that can copy/paste a book or a webpage, any day of the week.
I dont think it as much to do on how high we put someone on a pedestal but rather on how low some people regard old collectors and think they know what they are talking about just because they own one rifle and read a webpage.
Now days someone with 1 rifles and 1 year of collecting is an ''expert''. There is a huge difference between a ''know it all'' and someone that as been there and done that, someone knows it all.
To me the value of this hobby will always be the sharing and passing along the knowledge you have, without asking anything in return.... and he was a valuable asset in that manner.
 
The thin skin comment seems to be a more common thing around here these days. I truly believe the generation gap is at play and that's not a big deal. The older folks did not grow up with anonymous forums and what they said had to be backed up or at least founded. The younger generations have grown up in a world where they can say things with 0 consequence since the internet is/can be anonymous.
Most of us have fallen into an "argument" on here which afterwords, was pointless. If people spoke how they do in the real world on here, ships would sail a lot more smoothly.
My 2 cents. I also notice when avid posters disappear and I think everyone notices the new school kicking some knowledge.
 
MackForce said:
The thin skin comment seems to be a more common thing around here these days. I truly believe the generation gap is at play and that's not a big deal. The older folks did not grow up with anonymous forums and what they said had to be backed up or at least founded. The younger generations have grown up in a world where they can say things with 0 consequence since the internet is/can be anonymous.
Most of us have fallen into an "argument" on here which afterwords, was pointless. If people spoke how they do in the real world on here, ships would sail a lot more smoothly.
My 2 cents. I also notice when avid posters disappear and I think everyone notices the new school kicking some knowledge.
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I must be old school cause I would never EVER post something on here or anywhere that I wouldn't say in person. .
 
tatou said:
When you spend some time on forums and FB pages you get to know some names and get a general knowledge and can spot pseudo ''experts'' quite easily.
They tend to repeat the same things, make the same mistakes in their assessments and post the same pictures over and over again.
When Smellie was active i admit i did not have enough knowledge to challenge his owns but i do remember newbs calling him out and being plainly rude, like others have mentions.
Who would not be frustrated by a new collector challenging your claims and being rude about it...
Hell, even Skennerton himself has made mistakes over the years, so no one is above it.
But old collectors with hands on experience are getting hard to find... i will take the advice of someone that has handled hundreds of rifles over anybody that can copy/paste a book or a webpage, any day of the week.
I dont think it as much to do on how high we put someone on a pedestal but rather on how low some people regard old collectors and think they know what they are talking about just because they own one rifle and read a webpage.
Now days someone with 1 rifles and 1 year of collecting is an ''expert''. There is a huge difference between a ''know it all'' and someone that as been there and done that, someone knows it all.
To me the value of this hobby will always be the sharing and passing along the knowledge you have, without asking anything in return.... and he was a valuable asset in that manner.
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Did you ever have dealings with Tikirocker on the old SurplusRifleForum? now there was a "Pseudo expert" if there ever was such a thing, gone now thank god!
 
Tinman204 said:
I must be old school cause I would never EVER post something on here or anywhere that I wouldn't say in person. .
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Agreed. I was making the point in order to ... make the point... that you can't get wound up by someone posting here who would never have the guts to say it to your face. I don't "do Facebook or many other forums at all. So I speak to people here on forums as I would in person. It is clear some people have a huge ego on here and love to attack posts but in the real world are probably decent guys who would be fine to have a conversation about like subjects.
Hard to blame the newer generation who have so much info and contacts at their fingertips since that's how they grew up.
My rant was to the older guys who don't realize why they are getting disrespected. And to the younger guys who don't realize why the older guys feel so disrespected. Haha I'm I the middle btw.
 
5THBATT said:
Did you ever have dealings with Tikirocker on the old SurplusRifleForum? now there was a "Pseudo expert" if there ever was such a thing, gone now thank god!
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LOL no i cant say i have... does that make lucky or unlucky :p
But there's a few on the Facebook pages that i wont name... maybe he moved over there.
 
tatou said:
LOL no i cant say i have... does that make lucky or unlucky :p
But there's a few on the Facebook pages that i wont name... maybe he moved over there.
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Not on any of the FB pages that i have seen & i am well aware of his FB profile but then there are a lot there with obvious fake profiles

Tiki came onto the scene about 2007/8 when he joined GBs & then he seem to disappear but appeared over on SRF & suddenly became a Mod there, i joined there roughly about 2009/10 after stumbling upon the forum & almost immediately had run-ins with him, this continued for a couple of years & it appeared there were a few other members who were having run-ins with him as well & then suddenly i got a PM from another Mod accusing me & other members of coming over from GBs (as a gang) just to attack him, thing was, i did not really know the other members at the time, some used a different username but the short version was i was an individual, having trouble with a single member/mod.
After that PM, contact was made between myself & the "others" this is when i learned more about this persona going by the handle Tikirocker, i had often thought WTF this guy's comments were 'newbie type comments full of old school thoughts & misinformation but for some reason most there thought him to be & i quote "a Enfield Guru" now my experience with LEs dates back to a young age & by the time i was old enough to get my own rifles i was already an expert in my own mind (boy was i wrong in that thought lol & here i am nearly 40 years later & still not what i would call an expert!!) eventually Tiki was able to get us all banned from SRF in 2013, this is when i was sent this link https://www.shootersforum.com/australian-hunting/32493-new-member-introduction.html which verified my thoughts that he was indeed a newbie posing as a expert, now i would love to know on what planet a guy can become an expert in any surplus rifle in the space of just a couple of years, the time frame of when he posted that intro thread & the time people were banned from SRF was only 7 years with about 5 years worth of grief in-between, now if anyone here thought we we the bad guys & Tiki was the victim & a respectable expert, then you were duped big time, he was just a poser who ruined the forum experience for quite a few people & YES!! i am still angry over all of this but as Tiki seems to have vanished from the forums i think its time the truth started coming out about what really (at least from my perspective, we all had slightly differing experiences) happened over there.

PS SRF is now in new hands, please do not associate the old with the new.
 
Fwiw, while I don't claim to be expert in anything really, I don't post high value content all that much anymore and basically it's because it goes unappreciated.

What I mean is that a well researched and informed post is a lot of work. I have to dig out the collection, photograph stuff, upload to a hosting site, resize, edit, etc. Then I have to type up the post, fact check what I wrote, refer to my notes and reference material, etc.

Then when I post, I get negative drive-by comments from teenagers, or more commonly the posts draw little attention and even less meaningful dialogue here on cgn.

In the end, unless I'm really riled up to do something with a new rare addition to the collection, I'm just like meh... Why bother?
 
Claven2 said:
Fwiw, while I don't claim to be expert in anything really, I don't post high value content all that much anymore and basically it's because it goes unappreciated.

What I mean is that a well researched and informed post is a lot of work. I have to dig out the collection, photograph stuff, upload to a hosting site, resize, edit, etc. Then I have to type up the post, fact check what I wrote, refer to my notes and reference material, etc.

Then when I post, I get negative drive-by comments from teenagers, or more commonly the posts draw little attention and even less meaningful dialogue here on cgn.

In the end, unless I'm really riled up to do something with a new rare addition to the collection, I'm just like meh... Why bother?
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Claven I feel the sane way about spending hours making a thread just for nobody to be interested.

That and I'm into the more uncommon stuff and I find there isn't much of an audience here for threads about weirdo rifles that nobody has heard of. :)
 
Claven2 said:
Fwiw, while I don't claim to be expert in anything really, I don't post high value content all that much anymore and basically it's because it goes unappreciated.

What I mean is that a well researched and informed post is a lot of work. I have to dig out the collection, photograph stuff, upload to a hosting site, resize, edit, etc. Then I have to type up the post, fact check what I wrote, refer to my notes and reference material, etc.

Then when I post, I get negative drive-by comments from teenagers, or more commonly the posts draw little attention and even less meaningful dialogue here on cgn.

In the end, unless I'm really riled up to do something with a new rare addition to the collection, I'm just like meh... Why bother?
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In other words, why play Beethoven for pigs?

I post what I think should be informative, maybe even educational material from time to time. I don't mind a bit if someone is sceptical and asks me more questions. The dialogue should be even more educational.

But I recall once a guy called me out. In effect, he called me a liar. I had commented on having a lot of guns and he said, in effect, "No one has that many." That hurt, and it affected my posting enthusiasm for awhile. The only thing that helped was that someone who knew me backed me up.

I think the Internet has created a problem. Guys can dredge up a lot of facts, quickly. But "information" is not the same as "knowledge" and certainly a far cry from "wisdom".
 
Tinman204 said:
Claven I feel the sane way about spending hours making a thread just for nobody to be interested.

That and I'm into the more uncommon stuff and I find there isn't much of an audience here for threads about weirdo rifles that nobody has heard of. :)
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Keep posting mate, I love that goofball stuff.

At the end of the day you have to do this stuff for yourself. I have a YouTube channel that has a grand total of 9 subscribers. God bless them but I make the videos for my own enjoyment. If someone else enjoys or learns from them that's just a bonus. And I don't worry about the haters.
 
Claven2 said:
Fwiw, while I don't claim to be expert in anything really, I don't post high value content all that much anymore and basically it's because it goes unappreciated.

What I mean is that a well researched and informed post is a lot of work. I have to dig out the collection, photograph stuff, upload to a hosting site, resize, edit, etc. Then I have to type up the post, fact check what I wrote, refer to my notes and reference material, etc.

Then when I post, I get negative drive-by comments from teenagers, or more commonly the posts draw little attention and even less meaningful dialogue here on cgn.

In the end, unless I'm really riled up to do something with a new rare addition to the collection, I'm just like meh... Why bother?
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Sir.

I may be only one but I have taken a lot of what you wrote and took them down as notes. Never felt the need to comment but I took notes anyway. I will never be an expert on anything but I haven't forgotten how to listen and learn. I'm a student of K98s and M48s and I trust but verify in all I read. Thank you for what you have posted that I have read. I'm sure I haven't read it all.

I too have been chastised for posting a comment or two that I would've spoken sitting around the table drinking a beer/coffee. Sometimes without fully thinking it through but that's only human. Never said I was an expert but trying to be apart of the conversation for the sake of keeping it active.

Rarely do I bother browsing in those sections. Isn't a smart enough spam filter to weed out the arfeholes.
 
Ganderite said:
In other words, why play Beethoven for pigs?

I post what I think should be informative, maybe even educational material from time to time. I don't mind a bit if someone is sceptical and asks me more questions. The dialogue should be even more educational.

But I recall once a guy called me out. In effect, he called me a liar. I had commented on having a lot of guns and he said, in effect, "No one has that many." That hurt, and it affected my posting enthusiasm for awhile. The only thing that helped was that someone who knew me backed me up.

I think the Internet has created a problem. Guys can dredge up a lot of facts, quickly. But "information" is not the same as "knowledge" and certainly a far cry from "wisdom".
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Wisdom is something that you possess!

I read posts from you and many others carefully. You can tell a person who's been doing the gun thing for a lifetime. You are 100% one of those people.

As for being called out, it's happened to me often on this forum in perticular. Being a humble guy I don't tend to even reply to the idiots on here.

Often when people say something rude to me on here or say I don't know what I'm talking about it is met with laughter from those who know me in real life. That makes me feel better!
 
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