Savage MKII Wood Stock?

CHIA said:
I'm not convinced of this, and have seen no definitive and current info to support it......yet.

Google "gun stock exempt ITAR" or the likes, you will find posts that say it's allowed on these models too.

Not saying you're wrong or I'm right, just suggesting as you did, it's difficult to find specifics. No tax, no duty at border too, bonus :)
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I don't know where you read that other than from someone else who got away with it. Please provide a link to something that says it's allowed.

There are dozens or hundreds of threads here or on other Canadian sites on ITAR.
Boyd's has an export permit. You don't.

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...rm,-gun,-handgun,-rifle,-shotgun,-pistol,-etc.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...58-What-i-can-or-cant-bring-across-the-border

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...ng-Firearms-Ammunition-and-Parts-from-the-USA
 
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CHIA said:
I'm not convinced of this, and have seen no definitive and current info to support it......yet.

Google "gun stock exempt ITAR" or the likes, you will find posts that say it's allowed on these models too.

Not saying you're wrong or I'm right, just suggesting as you did, it's difficult to find specifics. No tax, no duty at border too, bonus :)
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The exporter needs a permit, AND the items need their own permit. The exemption Boyd's has is for the second part (the items don't need their own permit) but the exporter still needs permits.

Its not difficult to find specifics, it's difficult to turn the specifics as written in the legislation into something that a layman can understand. But Fusilier, who I quoted, has done exactly that.

The fact you didn't get in trouble only means you weren't caught, not that it's legal.
 
Suther said:
The exporter needs a permit, AND the items need their own permit. The exemption Boyd's has is for the second part (the items don't need their own permit) but the exporter still needs permits.

Its not difficult to find specifics, it's difficult to turn the specifics as written in the legislation into something that a layman can understand. But Fusilier, who I quoted, has done exactly that.

The fact you didn't get in trouble only means you weren't caught, not that it's legal.
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As I said, no doubting you, just looking for something definitive about stocks, which I've yet to see, outside of AR types.

Everything I seem to find is just general people stating opinions or their own loose interpretation, like you and I or the quotes in this thread.
 
Here are a couple items I was wondering about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns...uppliesca_talks_importexport_itar_and_buying/

Previously Boyds "Tacticool" rifle stock required ITAR, but since they renamed it to "Pro Varmint" it is now EAR99/Commerce.22 CFR 120.7 defines Significant military equipment as - anything with an asterisk in the USML - https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/2013/ITAR_Part_121.pdf
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Some comments on Boyds stocks in here too:

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=185073

Bunch of stuff here too:

http://www.stocks-rifle.com/rifle-stock-export-information.htm


Hard to decipher who's right, wrong, how it all works, where the exceptions are, and how they relate to each of us.
 
CHIA said:
Here are a couple items I was wondering about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns...uppliesca_talks_importexport_itar_and_buying/



Some comments on Boyds stocks in here too:

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=185073

Bunch of stuff here too:

http://www.stocks-rifle.com/rifle-stock-export-information.htm


Hard to decipher who's right, wrong, how it all works, where the exceptions are, and how they relate to each of us.
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When they were called the tacticool stock, they were banned from export, period (Or possibly required additional paperwork that the other Boyds stocks dont, I'm not exactly sure). With the new name they are legal to export IF YOU HAVE Permits.

These companies are licensed exporters. They are allowed to move product across the border. You are not.
 
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CHIA said:
Here are a couple items I was wondering about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns...uppliesca_talks_importexport_itar_and_buying/



Some comments on Boyds stocks in here too:

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=185073

Bunch of stuff here too:

http://www.stocks-rifle.com/rifle-stock-export-information.htm


Hard to decipher who's right, wrong, how it all works, where the exceptions are, and how they relate to each of us.
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Those links seem to support what we are trying to tell you. What is so difficult.
Why not look at the actual regulations. A link was provided to the US CBP.
Even your links refer to exporters requiring registration, and requirement to be US citizen controlled.
There is reference to the change in exemption limit from $100 to $500. Again, that is for the exporter, who already has export permits.
Boyd`s has an export permit.
Their exemption of $100.00 was increased to $500.00 based on the US regulations, not their own rules.
That exemption is for the authorized exporter who already has export permits. They don`t need a separate export license for each order if it is under $500.00.


Suther said:
When they were called the tacticool stock, they were banned from export, period (Or possibly required additional paperwork that the other Boyds stocks dont, I'm not exactly sure). With the new name they are legal to export IF YOU HAVE Permits.

These companies are licensed exporters. They are allowed to move product across the border. You are not.
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The Tacticool stocks were indeed banned from export. I tried to order one, and it was refused.
Apparently anything with `tactical`or similar brought extra attention, and the Boyd`s Tacticool was prohibited from export. The Pro Varmint is ok to export.
 
2tall2 said:
Nothing about any of this supports your contention that bringing a stock over the border is legal.
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I have no contention to this at all, nor have I said it was legal, have only been asking questions and looking for clarification.

I realize things are moving fast, but don't get confused.
 
CHIA said:
I have no contention to this at all, nor have I said it was legal, have only been asking questions and looking for clarification.

I realize things are moving fast, but don't get confused.
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Look, I can see that you are new here. And thats fine. I was once a newb who knew nothing about ITAR, reloading, or many other things, and as you can see it wasn't that long ago either.

But in my short few years here, I have seen more threads about ITAR then I could count, and I can assure you that practically nothing is legal for us to bring across the border. If it is associated with firearms, with very VERY few exceptions, you can't bring it across without filling out paperwork to be an exporter, and then more paperwork for the item in question. There is no way around this fact, and it is the very reason that so many things are either unobtainable or way over priced in Canada.

If you want specific clarification, look up the regulations as written by Congress (or whatever) and try to decipher that mess. Or just trust me (or the search function, there are literally hundreds of threads on this stuff) on it. The choice is yours.
 
Suther said:
Look, I can see that you are new here. And thats fine. I was once a newb who knew nothing about ITAR, reloading, or many other things, and as you can see it wasn't that long ago either.

But in my short few years here, I have seen more threads about ITAR then I could count, and I can assure you that practically nothing is legal for us to bring across the border. If it is associated with firearms, with very VERY few exceptions, you can't bring it across without filling out paperwork to be an exporter, and then more paperwork for the item in question. There is no way around this fact, and it is the very reason that so many things are either unobtainable or way over priced in Canada.

If you want specific clarification, look up the regulations as written by Congress (or whatever) and try to decipher that mess. Or just trust me (or the search function, there are literally hundreds of threads on this stuff) on it. The choice is yours.
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Fair enough......keep in mind, new "here", does not mean new to all things firearms related....you know what they say about assume.

That said, I expect you're probably right, let's cross our fingers that today's new Trump development pans out for us.
 
CHIA said:
Fair enough......keep in mind, new "here", does not mean new to all things firearms related....you know what they say about assume.

That said, I expect you're probably right, let's cross our fingers that today's new Trump development pans out for us.
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I don't think I assumed anything. I didn't assume you were new to firearms. Its very possible to be well versed in firearms, but have zero experience with US export law. And while I joined this forum basically when I got firearms, I also know many around here have been playing with guns since before the internet was a thing.

If you weren't new here, you would have seen plenty of threads about ITAR and this discussion wouldn't even be happening. Thats all I mean't by it.
 
Suther said:
I don't think I assumed anything. I didn't assume you were new to firearms. Its very possible to be well versed in firearms, but have zero experience with US export law. And while I joined this forum basically when I got firearms, I also know many around here have been playing with guns since before the internet was a thing.

If you weren't new here, you would have seen plenty of threads about ITAR and this discussion wouldn't even be happening. Thats all I mean't by it.
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Yup, this ITAR stuff is new for sure, from what I have read/heard to date, it pretty much sucks too.

Ignorance is bliss, got 2 new stocks for a great price......lucky. Definitely won't try for a hat trick. ;)
 
Suther said:
When they were called the tacticool stock, they were banned from export, period (Or possibly required additional paperwork that the other Boyds stocks dont, I'm not exactly sure). With the new name they are legal to export IF YOU HAVE Permits.

These companies are licensed exporters. They are allowed to move product across the border. You are not.
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I think you have some export rules confused. You can't physically go across the border and bring back a Boyd's stock, but you can have Boyd's ship one to you. They have the required export permit. If you were to buy it and try to bring it across yourself, that is when you would need your own export permit. This coming from a family member that works Customs.
 
thunderbolt62 said:
I think you have some export rules confused. You can't physically go across the border and bring back a Boyd's stock, but you can have Boyd's ship one to you. They have the required export permit. If you were to buy it and try to bring it across yourself, that is when you would need your own export permit. This coming from a family member that works Customs.
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I think that's what's being said.
 
I must have quoted the wrong post because somewhere I read that someone thought they cheated the system by getting them in the mail from Boyd's...that's the only legal way to do it!
 
I've owned alot of mkii and best way I've found to get a wood stock cheaper is to buy another rifle in any cal22-17 and swap stocks as they are all interchangable and bottom metal if needed and resell the other in synthetic.
 
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