Is the cost ammo Insane or am I?

I've been loading since the 70's because of what the price ammunition was back then, what I find disturbing now is primers cost more than 22 shells

I started in the mid sixties. I started because after loading six boxes of 20 rounds each it paid for my reloading press and scale. RCBS JR. I went cheap. I was only fifteen and was working for Lever Arms from the end of May to the middle of Sept. To say I had access to cheap surplus ammo puts a completely different meaning on the word cheap. Still, it wasn't legal to hunt with and the ammo available off the shelf, although good Imperial, RWS, Speer, Remington, Western etc, just didn't give decent accuracy in most commercial or surplus rifles. Back in those days, 4 inch groups were considered to be acceptable and anything less, outstanding.

I shot three cartridges back then. 30-06, 303 Brit and 30-30 Win. Brass was easy to find as it was pretty much considered that only Nut Bars reloaded their own ammo and of course they would blow up any firearm that ammo was used in. It was all VooDoo and Witchcraft in their minds. I can still remember one old German leaving the shooting table on my father's farm after hearing the rounds I was using were hand tailored for my rifle. He insisted he had been sitting next to a grenade. Mind you I think he was more upset because the "tire jack wrench" I had been shooting against his pre 64 Mod 70 was shooting much tighter groups with iron sights than his rifle with a vintage Balvar.

As many here know, surplus rifle bores can vary by several thou from their mean. This particular rifle was a Lithgow No1 and had a .315 bore. Back then, CIL used to make bullets from .308 to .316 diameter so that these old girls could perform to their full potential.

As for cost of components. When everything is factored in, the cost according to the average wages was similar. UNLESS of course surplus powder was factored in. 4831 was CHEAP. It was available by the brown bag at some stores, which used a scoop that measured close to a pound for 50 cents. 5 pound bags were $2 and 25 pound paper drums were $10 each. It could be had in containers up to one ton which ran about ten cents per pound but you had to pick it up yourself.

Higginson's used to carry surplus powders and International Firearms used to carry other components for cheap. Both surplus military and factory seconds which were mainly stained.

They still carry bulk surplus powder but Anthony seems to have gotten out of the REAL surplus market. Not sure if it just is no longer available to him or regulations are to limiting.

Still, when powder is available in bulk at reasonable rates, same goes for all components buy enough of it to make it last for a long time.

I find it's those that only purchase bullets/primers/powder in just enough quantity to load 100 rounds that pay through the nose and often more than commercially loaded ammo sells for.
 
Shooting, hunting etc is an EXPENSIVE sport. The thing is, it isn't any more expensive than other sports.

Worrying over a dollar here and a dollar there is counterproductive to your health.

That's for sure.

There are all sorts of sports that cost much more. The problem is some shooters are just cheap as hell.

About 10 years ago a guy that used to work for me showed up with a snazzy new mountain bike, with lots of bells and whistles. It was really nice, and it was also $6000. I asked him about it as I was interested about replacement parts, longevity etc. The heart of the bike is the frame, like rifles- the action/receiver. Then you attach parts. Anyway, he was an avid rider and figured the bike would last him a few years. Then he might sell it to some new guy or kid for cheap, and get a new one. That's if he didn't break the frame, then the bike would be parted out. He would have to replace parts as they broke, as well.

A rifle that is half the price will be a very nice rifle and last a very long time, and the barrel and small parts may wear out, but the action is still sound.

it would be easy to say that this guy was an idiot for spending that when even a $2000 bolt action and scope rifle is something you can use your whole life and pass down to your kids, but that's just what he was into and chose to spend his money on.

Any sport that requires gear is going to be expensive. It all depends on what you want.

I always say that hunters complain about the price of gas, tags and ammo. They will load up their $50 000 truck with their $20 000 quad and tow their $35 000 jet boat, but they grumble about buying $100 worth of ammo to practice with, forgetting that the whole reason for all their gear hinges on their ability to put a single bullet into the correct place. :)
 
Are you trolling me? You need to calm down or take a break buddy.

I don't give a #### about soup, but you shouldn't let that stop you from buying as much as you like. If I was a soup-man like you I'd probably be clever enough to know it has a limited shelf life, and contrary to our experience with ammunition and reloading components - soup has not been subject to a decade of shortages and unavailability.

If we're going to get snarky about "financial fallacy", then we should attempt to use real calculations instead of making up convenient numbers. Because - powder purchased 10 years ago at under $20/lb with a 2% compounding annual rate of inflation = $24.87/lb today, and NOT $38/lb.

There are numerous financial investments that would enjoy a far better rate of return, but none of my financial investments ever helped me go shooting when I was out of powder. I have somewhere around $10 grand invested in components and ammo. It's a piddling amount considering the time and enjoyment I get from it.

I buy in bulk and when I find a good price. Because I can afford it and because it makes good sense to me.

Hmmm, I think you're the one who needs yo calm down and take a break.

All my financial investments have helped me go shooting. I can easily exchange any of them for money, which in turn can be exchanged for ammos, guns, or reloading components. There is no shortage of any of these, the prices of ammos and components is actually going down, and will continue to do so for the foreseable future.
 
That's for sure.

There are all sorts of sports that cost much more. The problem is some shooters are just cheap as hell.

About 10 years ago a guy that used to work for me showed up with a snazzy new mountain bike, with lots of bells and whistles. It was really nice, and it was also $6000. I asked him about it as I was interested about replacement parts, longevity etc. The heart of the bike is the frame, like rifles- the action/receiver. Then you attach parts. Anyway, he was an avid rider and figured the bike would last him a few years. Then he might sell it to some new guy or kid for cheap, and get a new one. That's if he didn't break the frame, then the bike would be parted out. He would have to replace parts as they broke, as well.

A rifle that is half the price will be a very nice rifle and last a very long time, and the barrel and small parts may wear out, but the action is still sound.

it would be easy to say that this guy was an idiot for spending that when even a $2000 bolt action and scope rifle is something you can use your whole life and pass down to your kids, but that's just what he was into and chose to spend his money on.

Any sport that requires gear is going to be expensive. It all depends on what you want.

I always say that hunters complain about the price of gas, tags and ammo. They will load up their $50 000 truck with their $20 000 quad and tow their $35 000 jet boat, but they grumble about buying $100 worth of ammo to practice with, forgetting that the whole reason for all their gear hinges on their ability to put a single bullet into the correct place. :)

Absolutely. 100% true. Out of all my hobbies, shooting is the one who requires the least investment up front, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg continually. Not getting into the real expensive sports (car racing anyone?), but I started paraglinding, and the cost for an entry-level equipment is minimum 4000$. If you have kids who play hockey and need new equipment every year, you know what's the cost of our national sport. Kudos to parents of goaltenders.

I'd add that shooting can be really inexpensive if you want to. You can get a good, brand new firearm for less than 600$, either handgun or rifle, in 22lr, and then a brick of 500 rounds will cost only 30$, and last 1-2 hours in a semi-auto. The total cost is about the same as a movie ticket and a popcorn, and I don't think cineplex brands itself as something only for the rich.

The only real inexpensve hobbies are watching tv and taking a walk. And boardgames.
 
Vinny----You speak of pricing from 8 months ago (on 9mm) being higher; you also reference mid 2016 as prices are now lower than then. I guess we need to define the time frame. Us old guys, are talking pricing over the last 30 or 40 years. You seem to refer to pricing in the last couple of years. Prices will fluctuate, but overall, over time, they only go up. (as does everything) So, if pricing is down at the moment, stock up.
 
Considering how much money that a lot of shooters spend on their guns alone, reloading equipment is cheap.
Someone will always dispute this by claiming that you need a Dillon progressive and that that makes it expensive.
But, unless you are shooting bucket-loads of ammo in competition, a progressive is overkill.
A good single-stage cast iron press is all that you need.
Considering that, in most cases, the brass casing still accounts for 50% of a loaded factory round, you are miles ahead even if you reload with factory jacketed bullets.
A typical casing can be reloaded from 6 to 10 times, depending on the cartridge.
If you shoot .38 special, .357 magnum, .44 magnum, .45 Colt, these cases seem to last forever.
Lead bullets are available in bulk and shave the cost still further.
Considering that you are just slinging bullets down-range, shooting jacketed bullets is unnecessary in many cases.

Not everybody has the income that some CGN members seem to have, and for us reloading is a necessity.
I have been doing it almost from the beginning, for many years.
I only buy factory ammo if I need more brass to reload.

Sure, powder, primers, and bullets have gone up in price, but if you do the math, it's still cheaper than factory rounds.

I suppose that if you are happy just shooting bulk cases of 9mm, then reloading won't really be worthwhile for you.
But, that limits you to a very narrow selection of guns.
 
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Hmmm, I think you're the one who needs yo calm down and take a break.

All my financial investments have helped me go shooting. I can easily exchange any of them for money, which in turn can be exchanged for ammos, guns, or reloading components. There is no shortage of any of these, the prices of ammos and components is actually going down, and will continue to do so for the foreseable future.

Hmmmm, LOL.

If you need to sell investments to buy ammo then you're not doing it right. You're obviously very young and not greatly experienced in shooting or life. Next time keep the stupid soup comment to yourself and you'll get a better response.
 
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Considering how much money that a lot of shooters spend on their guns alone, reloading equipment is cheap.
Someone will always dispute this by claiming that you need a Dillon progressive and that that makes it expensive.
But, unless you are shooting bucket-loads of ammo in competition, a progressive is overkill.
A good single-stage cast iron press is all that you need.
Considering that, in most cases, the brass casing still accounts for 50% of a loaded factory round, you are miles ahead even if you reload with factory jacketed bullets.
A typical casing can be reloaded from 6 to 10 times, depending on the cartridge.
If you shoot .38 special, .357 magnum, .44 magnum, .45 Colt, these cases seem to last forever.
Lead bullets are available in bulk and shave the cost still further.
Considering that you are just slinging bullets down-range, shooting jacketed bullets is unnecessary in many cases.

Not everybody has the income that some CGN members seem to have, and for us reloading is a necessity.
I have been doing it almost from the beginning, for many years.
I only buy factory ammo if I need more brass to reload.

Sure, powder, primers, and bullets have gone up in price, but if you do the math, it's still cheaper than factory rounds.

I suppose that if you are happy just shooting bulk cases of 9mm, then reloading won't really be worthwhile for you.
But, that limits you to a very narrow selection of guns.

The only ammo prices going down is bulk fmj/hardball plinking class ammunition. There are no great deals to be had on hunting grade ammunition or match grade ammo. Powder prices have eased a bit but brass and quality hunting and match bullets haven't dropped much iof any. Reloading is still the most consistent method to shoot cheaper for the match shooter or hunter.
 
Hmmmm, LOL.

If you need to sell investments to buy ammo then you're not doing it right. You're obviously very young and not greatly experienced in shooting or life. Next time keep the stupid soup comment to yourself and you'll get a better response.

I guess you're gonna bring your with you...
 
When I bought my 375 rum, circa 2001 a box of ammo was $108. My Rigby is over $200, how much I don't know. Never bought factory.

Probably been reloading about 25 years. The vast majority of transactions on this site is me buying components. I probably have #1000lbs of projectile. Nah....more like 3000.

I tried to limit my firearms to only a.few reload only. The.rest were Walmart calibers. That ended at least 10 years ago.

Simplist I load for, 45-70......biggest PITA was 350 rem mag.....sold.that one.
 
Other than rimfire & shotgun slugs nothing factory. 600 rounds of 25-06 calculates into a lot of savings in one caliber reloading.
Using Harris' "The Load" for plinking is wonderful.
Even oddball stuff such as 41 Swiss can be shot often fairly cheap.
Cheers
 
I started reloading for one centerfire rifle in 1964, because the cost of ammo [$3.95/box of 20] was "outrageous", lol.
That was for a box of 308 Norma Magnum ammunition. I believe 30-30 was around $2.10/box at the time.
Since that time, I have expanded considerably, and now I believe I have about 70 sets of dies on the shelf.

I have saved literally thousands of dollars by reloading over the years since that time.
By watching powder sales, buying from dealers like Higginson's, and perusing gun shows, I have managed to score
some incredible deals on components. I would not want to have to buy factory ammunition to feed the rifles I
have right now. Dave.
 
I just got 3 Enfields given to me (2 MkIII's, and a M47 Sniper), as well as a Ross, 3 Carcanos, a Swedish ag42B and a Kar 98. I may have to learn to reload I guess. Just the .303 price is killing me.

Not just the .303, check the prices on Swedish 6.5x55mm and 8mm. Don't have a Carcano M38, yet, maybe, too many on my list.
 
I'm about to get in the reloading game, mainly for .44mag for now. The cheapest I could find was .64 a pop, (now sold out), reloading should bring that cost to .25 a pop. Still looking for supply of lead to get into casting...
 
Just ordered dies and brass/bullets/primers, gor a 44 magnum i have purchase and not received yet.
I wasn’t planning on reloading that one, as i figure for 400-500 rounds per year may as well factory.
When i saw the price difference, a no brainer, will have new ammo loaded before even receiving gun.
New equipment (as i already had lots of gear, only needed dies and powder hopper), will be pair for well under 100 rounds.
 
Last year my boy bought a 25-06. I promised him that if he saved up enough to buy his own rifle then I would buy some reloading equipment. So now we reload for three rifles: his 25-06, and my 300 Wby and 303. I've come to the conclusion that I'm certainly not saving money, but I get to shoot a whole lot more. The biggest plus is that I get to spend time at the bench and at the range with my son.
 
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