Just me rambling again...talk about goin that bit further, more often.

WhelanLad

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Gday Gents,
back from 4 days in the bush chasing big sambar stags but to no avail, seen plenty of smaller ones but nothing over 26 inches.........
Its the end of my hunting season, where I fizzle right out and just get out now and then as the weather warms right up..


Ive got some Rifles for Sale currently and some Scopes which are available if someone bites.. no real bites on the scope but Out in the hills I was thinking that I'm going to change things up a bit.

Rifles I want to sell at the Ruger #1 303, but also the Tikka 9.3x62................ (the itch was scratched with the 9.3 on my birthday, whaling the big stag in close quarters- which the 708 would have done too)


I'm thinking that I want to create a Rifle setup which is capable at 400meters all day long....... :bangHead:

I've got a Leupold VX2 3-9x50 Scope which worked pretty well on the 270 Winchester when I was reaching out close to 350m more often than not! I emailed Leupold a while ago about fitting a Adjustable turret on it for Elevation???
Or the other option is pull off the Burris 3-9x40 with the hash marks on the reticle for drop, the Field of View is actually tight so normally I would run the scope on 6- general stalking where as on others I would have it on the 9 or 7 scope pending...... I'm thinking it would be Fine for 400m and I'm sure I can align the hashes to some distances with practise......
I also have a Zeiss terra 3-9x40 on a rifle which is for Sale but I can possibly keep it, though I am not a reall big fan of that Zeiss?
Would like Your thoughts here please


Other thing I'm thinkin with Calibres is going for a 7MM Rem Magnum, for that little more punch than the 270 Winchester and seeing as it will be a different kettle of fish than the Kimber 7mm-08 outfit, i'd proberly like to keep it in the 7mm family... I don't thinka 30-06 is quite what I am after and that leaves around the 270 Winchester or 7 rem..

I'm getting back on Google and doin all the researching, but what can you tell me about Recoil difference in the 7rem and 300win ?


I'd likely be looking into the Tikka T3 rifle, with Limbsaver recoil pad .................. happens to be a Blued model for $600 second hand , threaded barrel cap, limbsaver and some bases..



There is another option of throwin a 3-9x40 on the Kimber 7mm-08 .... which adds a little bit of weight but might make it more capable at the 400m, providing the 7-08 has enough Punch (I thought the 270 was just enough)


Would love to hear you guys opinions and chew the fat for a few hours and see what I gota do here......


I've got no interest in plus 400, but do want to be able to make the 400m mark when I want too in glassing the big country..


Cheers!
WL
 
Good to have you back, WL.

Whacking big game at 400 meters is a piece of cake with a 270 Winchester. I have personally used the 270 on big game beyond that, and know others who have done so as well on everything from ground hogs to grizzlies.

The only thing a 7mm Mag can really do much better out to that range is recoil harder. Dead is dead.

Ted
 
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Good to have you back, WL.

Whacking big game at 400 meters is a piece of cake with a 270 Winchester. I have personally used the 270 on big game beyond that, and know others who have done so as well on everything from ground hogs to grizzlies.

The only thing a 7mm Mag can really do much better out to that range is recoil harder. Dead is dead.

Ted
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Why Not, Thanks mate,
I don't own the 270 anymore, of the Capable ones its the 7mm08 Kimber, Would you suggest to just Swap out the Scope for that little bit extra weight and Practise with the 7mm08 ?


the Kimber would be topped with a Burris Fullfield ii 3-9x40 in that case.. or the Zeiss Terra which I don't think had has marks just standard duplex.
 
I have used several FF II 3-9X40 with the Ballistic Plex reticle on a number of rifles. They are a very bright scope, and the click adjustments are both accurate and repeatable. Nothing I hate worse than a scope that is not consistent!

The stadia on the vertical wire really do work once you figure out their value for each rifle and load you are using. You will only need, at most, the first two below the horizontal wire if you sight the rifle in three inches high at 100 meters. Forget the nice assortment of trajectory stick-ons that come with the scope

Your 7mm-08 will work just as well. :)
Ted
 
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I have used several FF II 3-9X40 with the Ballistic Plex reticle on a number of rifles. They are a very bright scope, and the click adjustments are both accurate and repeatable. Nothing I hate worse than a scope that is not consistent!

The stadia on the vertical wire really do work once you figure out their value for each rifle and load you are using. You will only need, at most, the first two below the horizontal wire if you sight the rifle in three inches high at 100 meters. Forget the nice assortment of trajectory stick-ons that come with the scope

Your 7mm-08 will work just as well. :)
Ted
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Interesting Ted but might I just remind You all on CGN this is why I roam this site frequently....... people giving opinions through their own experiences!


You're spot on RE using the first 2 hash marks if yer lucky, all my previous "LR" was by hold over method......... truth be told that 270 was getting them good from a 130gr Corelokt in form of 2800fps...Remind me the difference between Said and a .284 140gr Woodleigh at 2770...... You're spot on again.. SFA.


Whats your thoughts on the Zeiss Terra V FFII? are they on the same page? (my models are chalk an cheese, ones brand new almost and ones knocked about and scratched....working perfectly. and bonus has the Hashes which I'm interested on.
 
0-400m all day long is what I've been chasing for a while.

I've got an older savage 300wsm 12fvss that accuracy and consistency wise is pretty much perfect for the longer stuff and if I'm packing it....well anything between 200- 600 is dead. But, and this is the big one...it's freaking heavy and it gives up a lot on the 0-200 shots.

So I went with a lighter but still pretty heavy 7Rem. It was good but the weight still bothered me for it to be a close quarters do all rifle. This pushed me to the super light end, I picked up a Kimber in .308, killed a few animals, close stuff was really good, longer range lacked the consistency that I wanted. I figured this was partly due to the challenges of field shooting a slow cartridge, cause it was quite good on the range. This led me to trying faster Kimbers. The .308 got traded for a 7-08 but it had a slow barrel so I sold it and got the .270 84L I have now. It's early with this rifle but it seems to be a decent balance of speed/weight/accuracy. I coupled it with a VX3i 4.5-14x40 windplex cds, this scope tracks perfectly which is crucial.

I'm not sure if I'm finished on this path yet, I likely have a carbon barrelled 300wsm in my future.

Good luck on your quest!
 
cdn shooter said:
0-400m all day long is what I've been chasing for a while.

I've got an older savage 300wsm 12fvss that accuracy and consistency wise is pretty much perfect for the longer stuff and if I'm packing it....well anything between 200- 600 is dead. But, and this is the big one...it's freaking heavy and it gives up a lot on the 0-200 shots.

So I went with a lighter but still pretty heavy 7Rem. It was good but the weight still bothered me for it to be a close quarters do all rifle. This pushed me to the super light end, I picked up a Kimber in .308, killed a few animals, close stuff was really good, longer range lacked the consistency that I wanted. I figured this was partly due to the challenges of field shooting a slow cartridge, cause it was quite good on the range. This led me to trying faster Kimbers. The .308 got traded for a 7-08 but it had a slow barrel so I sold it and got the .270 84L I have now. It's early with this rifle but it seems to be a decent balance of speed/weight/accuracy. I coupled it with a VX3i 4.5-14x40 windplex cds, this scope tracks perfectly which is crucial.

I'm not sure if I'm finished on this path yet, I likely have a carbon barrelled 300wsm in my future.

Good luck on your quest!
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Great response , Same Boat it sounds......... many ways to skin the Cat as you are finding! Great work on the 84L...would luv to see it with the Scope on!

I'm posting a few photos shortly of the Kimber......... Do you think with Talley, possibly LOWS, that id be able to fit a x40 bell?
pics will explain.
 
The Leupold is Short to begin with, is close to the Chamber bell............ but I'm wondering if the Burris will fit, its longer, So the Objective Bell should just pass the Chamber bell.........

Ideally, want your thoughts first before I Tamper, but I don't mind if I have to pull off to Try, as ill give the rifle a Full clean out anyway..

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WhelanLad said:
Interesting Ted but might I just remind You all on CGN this is why I roam this site frequently....... people giving opinions through their own experiences!


You're spot on RE using the first 2 hash marks if yer lucky, all my previous "LR" was by hold over method......... truth be told that 270 was getting them good from a 130gr Corelokt in form of 2800fps...Remind me the difference between Said and a .284 140gr Woodleigh at 2770...... You're spot on again.. SFA.


Whats your thoughts on the Zeiss Terra V FFII? are they on the same page? (my models are chalk an cheese, ones brand new almost and ones knocked about and scratched....working perfectly. and bonus has the Hashes which I'm interested on.
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Good morning, WL.

I have never had a Terra. The only Zeiss I have ever used are an ancient Zeilklein 2 1/4 on a 9.3X62 and my current Conquest 4-12, which has been on various rifles but now sits in the safe. Leupolds and the Bushnells with Rainguard are on all my serious hunting guns.

Ted
 
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WL........Back when I was looking for a one cartridge "do it all" gun from 0-500 mtrs I played with both the 7 RM and the 300 WM. Both are capable out to these ranges but I went with the 300 and have always been very happy with it. I ended up with the 300 Wby only because I wanted over 3000 fps with a 200 gn bullet and the energy and penetration afforded with this bullet/velocity combo with a 200 gn Partition.
As you no doubt know, from my dissertations on this site, I have been very successful with this combination on a variety of game from duiker to eland and moose etc. I have successfully made some very long shots and many short to moderate shots as well and of course, there is no downside to a long range capable cartridge at closer ranges.
My selection of the 300 over the "Big 7" had to do with my experiences in the effect on game when hit with these 2 different bullets at various ranges. The 300 most definitely hits harder and debilitates quicker given my observations........of course this is not a scientific comparison, just my observations on many dozens of animals taken with both cartridges.
Of late I have been using a 7 RUM on my property and it also has performed very well but only on WT deer and black bear using a 160 Accubond.........when/if I go on a serious hunt again I would most likely grab my 300 Wby though, as we have been around the block together more than a few times and she has never let me down...........

Just the opinions and observations of an old hunter/gunnut.................
 
Thanks CFBMI!

I appreciate that, If it were anyone else asking the same sort of thing I think your spot on about the 300 win mag, I also rekon I'm possibly not even built half as strong as you even with my shadow counted LOL


Recoil on My wrecked shoulders tends to be the issue, not that it "hurts" on the shot, but perhaps a few shots sight in and In the back of my mind, I over do it, mentally..... Recoil not my thing.

the 7 Rem was possibly about as high velocity recoil I would go, have almost decided to play with the 7-08 a New styl of scope and some practise, will be back on to let yas know how I get on.

or if I go the 7 RM route, I'm sure you will hear about it :), hoping to Sell off the 9.3 this week.
 
7mm RM has about the same recoil as.30-06. If you have wrecked shoulders, a box at the range would probably not be pleasant. If you are doing a lightweight build, recoil would be increased. You already have the 7-08. Try it with practice at various ranges and go from there.
 
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Come on now! That looks like it will surely work.

Looking forward to your range and field report.
Ted
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I have to Agree mate!! I'm liking the look of the x40 on it!

Yeap will Follow it up for Sure mate! send a few through it and see how I get on!
may have to tackle a Hind from a Good few hundred meters before its tooo dry and hot!
 
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Load up a fistfull of 140 Partitions or Woodleigh PPs to 2800 or so, and go kill anything you want.

Ted
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well well, I was gifted around 75 140gr Woodleighs during the Lake hunt! this is my Plan mate, have some 139s for practise to use up then it will be sighted for the Woodleighs which is around 2x2 inch from Bull with 139s.... just to limit the waste of Woodleighs but to get the Drop roughly on the hastags, then sight in 140gr @ 2770 (roughly) confirm drop at 300-400 and have at them!!

Sighted it in this Arvo, 3 shots and it was On at around 1.5 high at 100m.... will have it set around 2 inches high at 100 and work the Drops from there!

it will be so much easier as the Leupold was a standard Duplex, being so fine the post was not here nor there really, these hashes will take that guess out!


I cant seem to do much better than 40gr of 2208 in this rifle, erratic after that, mild on the brass so far and did the job well, pb long shot with this 708 was 150gr Federal factories around the 330m mark.
 
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Trying a new photo hosting site so we'll see here...

Anyway, if the pictures show, this is the 84L with 40mm leupold and talley mediums.
 
cdn shooter said:




Trying a new photo hosting site so we'll see here...

Anyway, if the pictures show, this is the 84L with 40mm leupold and talley mediums.
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Photos worked mate.... albeit small? I can click on them for large
You have plenty of Gap!! no dramas there at all...
Mediums would be fine, the Lows are Close
 
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