Educate me on Quiet 22 or 17

[grauhanen]

I have done ballistic tests on expired 8" thick bone-in hams and pot roasts at 200m and there is complete penetration with .22lr subsonic ammo. Sometimes bullet bounces off bone and fragments, other times bones shatter. Cow/pig bone is a lot more solid than a coyote. What do you consider adequate?

Are you referring to subsonic ammo that has an MV below the speed of sound, that is less than 1100 fps, which is also called standard velocity ammo? Or are you referring to subsonic ammo like CCI "Quiet 22" with an MV of 710 fps and which is indeed significantly quieter than standard velocity and high velocity?

I think that the latter is so obviously inadequate for ethical varminting like shooting coyotes that it is not worth discussing. The former, the standard velocity ammo that is favoured by .22LR target shooters, has more energy but is also inadequate for ethical varmint shooting. SV ammo zeroed at 50 yards will drop about 8 inches at 100 and almost 60 inches at 200. At 50 yards it has 82 foot pounds of energy, and only 55 at 200 yards. That ought to be instructive.

 

[RabidM4U5]

ethical varminting like shooting coyotes

I haven't read this thread, so I'm not sure if I'm jumping in appropriately or not... but if one desires an "ethical" varmint load, consider a Sierra 90gr HP .270 Winchester bullet riding behind 51.3 gr of IMR-4064 powder. MV = 3400 fps, should be about 3000 @ 200 yards with KE of 1798 ft-lbs.... best have a sling on yer rifle cuz you gunna need two hands to carry both halves of that 'yote back to yer truck! Feller I know had his cute dog eaten by 'yotes... says he'd be happy to pump 10 rounds of .22 LR into a 'yote's gut and let it die a slow, painful death... Your Ethics May Vary.

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[geologist]

I haven't read this thread, so I'm not sure if I'm jumping in appropriately or not... but if one desires an "ethical" varmint load, consider a Sierra 90gr HP .270 Winchester bullet riding behind 51.3 gr of IMR-4064 powder. MV = 3400 fps, should be about 3000 @ 200 yards with KE of 1798 ft-lbs.... best have a sling on yer rifle cuz you gunna need two hands to carry both halves of that 'yote back to yer truck! Feller I know had his cute dog eaten by 'yotes... says he'd be happy to pump 10 rounds of .22 LR into a 'yote's gut and let it die a slow, painful death... Your Ethics May Vary.

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Good lord out of a full house .270 those 90 gr HPs must be some kind of destructive!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BCRider]

What about going the other way? Go "big and slow". Something like a 30 call and a 180 gn cast bullet at something around 1100 to 1300 fps? The low speed means a lower max pressure and less of a POP! when the round is shot. It's subsonic so that's less noise again. And the big heavy bullet will just bludgeon it's way through that 'yote.

There's going to be some drop on the bullet at that speed. But it's comparable to the rimfire rounds you're considering. And if your scope or NV has decent reticle markings you could get a pretty quick handle on the drop at 50 and 100 yards.

 

[Suther]

What about going the other way? Go "big and slow". Something like a 30 call and a 180 gn cast bullet at something around 1100 to 1300 fps? The low speed means a lower max pressure and less of a POP! when the round is shot. It's subsonic so that's less noise again. And the big heavy bullet will just bludgeon it's way through that 'yote.

There's going to be some drop on the bullet at that speed. But it's comparable to the rimfire rounds you're considering. And if your scope or NV has decent reticle markings you could get a pretty quick handle on the drop at 50 and 100 yards.

My only real issue with that idea would be the potential for the coyote to travel a ways before expiring. You'd basically be putting a 30cal hole right through it with little to no expansion. Although this would be fatal, it might not provide the DRT performance you'd need to avoid having the coyote take off into the neighbors yard before dying.

 

[mikeystew]

If I were in your shoes... I think reduced charge handloads with trail boss in a pistol caliber like a 44 mag, shot from a long barrel lever action would be my choice.

 

[mikeystew]

My only real issue with that idea would be the potential for the coyote to travel a ways before expiring. You'd basically be putting a 30cal hole right through it with little to no expansion. Although this would be fatal, it might not provide the DRT performance you'd need to avoid having the coyote take off into the neighbors yard before dying.

The issue with that is any cartridge that's going to deliver enough energy to get violent expansion and a quick traumatic DRT situation on yote size animals at 100m, is going to be loud as 'ell. In which case, may as well go for a .223

 

[Suther]

The issue with that is any cartridge that's going to deliver enough energy to get violent expansion and a quick traumatic DRT situation on yote size animals at 100m, is going to be loud as 'ell. In which case, may as well go for a .223

Yes and no. Something like the 22hornet won't be as loud as a 223 but still plenty capable. But you are right, you won't find anything that'll drop a yote quickly AND be particularly quiet.

 

[trevj]

The issue with that is any cartridge that's going to deliver enough energy to get violent expansion and a quick traumatic DRT situation on yote size animals at 100m, is going to be loud as 'ell. In which case, may as well go for a .223

Yep.

Or a .17 Remington, or a .204.

Worth understanding that the very fast light bullets are, aside from being quite lethal and quite flat trajectory, quite fragile and don't ricochet worth beans, as a general statement.

It's not a substitute for knowing exactly what and where you are shooting, it's just an added level of safety that you won't get while trying to lob a great big old chunk of lead out at a coyote in the dark.

Forget quiet.

 

[marshall]

Canadiankeeper, you are wrong, he did say livestock protection. you are not a farmer, I bet

In the first post, you stated night hunting. Not live stock protection.

17 can work. I Wouldn't shoot past 100 with it. They also tend to run for a while. So if you are looking to recover the animal to inspect it. Expect to have a walk...
Same thing with the 22mag... Watched a buddy take a clean vitals shot with 22mag. Yote took off. Never recovered it. Did it die? yup... When and where ? No idea.

If you want anything that will work during the day legally will work at night.

Anything that will drop a yote is going to need hearing protection.

223 wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[Meroh]

Moot point.

Hunting at night - Illigal

Only exception. Raccoon hunting.

Must have a licensed dog, 22lr and appropriate licence. Not to mention has to be during raccoon season...

Hunting, yes, but as a former farmer, predator control to protect livestock is never an issue; it is a priority!

 

[Meroh]

Hmm you seem correct. It is just hunting regs.

May have some explaining to the officer though.

Been there, done that, never an issue.

 

[maifire]

Match 22lr ammo is available in many varieties, most of which is high subsonic. I like quiets but they are simply too slow in my opinion on this one

 

[Hank44]

Load some trail boss in your 308
Hodgdons site lists a load for 150gr bullet from 1176 fps up to 1417fps. Even the faster one would be pretty quiet and that would knock a coyote down at 100.

This, i load 10 gs above a 150 gr RN designed for a 30-30. Sounds quieter than my 22 mag and prints three shots touching at 50 yards. Ive never tested it on anything larger than a hare but im sure it would tip a coyote over no problem.

 

[Hank44]

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[Pathfinder2017]

I've found that the 22 quiets from CCI aren't that reliable. Have had multiple jams with my 10/22. Doesn't seem to have enough pressure to eject properly

 

[grauhanen]

I've found that the 22 quiets from CCI aren't that reliable. Have had multiple jams with my 10/22. Doesn't seem to have enough pressure to eject properly

They aren't meant to be used in a semi-auto.

 

[.22LRGUY]

I haven't read this thread, so I'm not sure if I'm jumping in appropriately or not... but if one desires an "ethical" varmint load, consider a Sierra 90gr HP .270 Winchester bullet riding behind 51.3 gr of IMR-4064 powder. MV = 3400 fps, should be about 3000 @ 200 yards with KE of 1798 ft-lbs.... best have a sling on yer rifle cuz you gunna need two hands to carry both halves of that 'yote back to yer truck! Feller I know had his cute dog eaten by 'yotes... says he'd be happy to pump 10 rounds of .22 LR into a 'yote's gut and let it die a slow, painful death... Your Ethics May Vary.

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That's a nasty-a**-looking HP bullet! Now I have to check if I can get those in .223. I'm guessing the groundhogs would really like them.

 

[45CAT]

They aren't meant to be used in a semi-auto.

My Browning SA loves to burn through CCi quiets but my CZ 712 becomes a bolt action. An aside the SK reduced loads are even weaker than than the CCi quiets.

 

[zuke]

Aguila Sniper Sub Sonic's.
I might have some around here