BC consultation for Grizzly hunting future

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Government to consult on grizzly bear ban

British Columbians are being given the opportunity to provide input on new proposed grizzly bear regulations.

On Aug. 14, 2017, the B.C. government announced that effective Nov. 30, 2017 it will end trophy hunting of grizzly bears and stop all hunting of grizzly bears in the Great Bear Rainforest.

Until Nov. 2, the public can provide input into two policy documents outlining the proposed regulation changes required to implement the ban.

As part of the consultation, input is being sought on:

Changes to manage the ban in hunting areas that overlap the Great Bear Rainforest;
Changes that will prohibit the possession of “trophy” grizzly bear parts;
Changes that will manage prohibited grizzly bear parts;
Changes to prohibit the trafficking of grizzly bear parts, and
New reporting requirements for taxidermists.

The two policy documents can be reviewed at: h t t p ://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw

Members of the public may send comments to the Fish and Wildlife Branch at: grizzly.bear@gov.bc.ca

When a comment is sent, the writer will receive an email back confirming that the response has been received. Due to the expected volume of material, individual responses will not be possible.



h t t p s ://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2017FLNR0316-001676?utm_content=buffer7b328&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

h t t p ://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/docs/20170929-policy_intent-grizzly-trophy.pdf

h t t p ://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/docs/20170929-policy_intent-grizzly-GBR.pdf


h t t p ://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/

Fish and Wildlife Branch
Province seeking feedback from the public on proposed grizzly bear hunting regulations

On Aug. 14, 2017, the B.C. government announced that effective Nov. 30, 2017 it will end trophy hunting of grizzly bears and stop all hunting of grizzly bears in the Great Bear Rainforest.

The public can provide input into two policy documents outlining the proposed regulation changes required to implement the ban.

As part of the consultation, input is being sought on:

Changes to manage the ban in hunting areas that overlap the Great Bear Rainforest;
Changes that will prohibit the possession of "trophy" grizzly bear parts;
Changes that will manage prohibited grizzly bear parts;
Changes to prohibit the trafficking of grizzly bear parts; and,
New reporting requirements for taxidermists.

Members of the public may send comments to the Fish and Wildlife Branch at grizzly.bear@gov.bc.ca.

When a comment is sent, the writer will receive an email back confirming that the response has been received. Due to the expected volume of material, individual response will not be possible.

The consultation period will conclude on November 2, 2017.

not impacted as a non BC resident but i will express my say on it.
 
FLHTCUI said:
Well, if that ain't putting the horse before the cart.
With the current rules as enacted in August it is a moot point they are consulting with the residence of BC.
Silly Grubberment,
Rob
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Yes and no. The current rules dont go into effect until the season ends (if I'm not mistaken) which means they don't actually matter until next year when seasons get going again.

Personally, I'm going to push for residents to be afforded a the same rights as natives (that is, residents can keep trophies). If the goal is to stop rich foreigners from going trophy hunting then the ban should only apply to rich foreign trophy hunters.
 
Suther said:
Yes and no. The current rules dont go into effect until the season ends (if I'm not mistaken) which means they don't actually matter until next year when seasons get going again.

Personally, I'm going to push for residents to be afforded a the same rights as natives (that is, residents can keep trophies). If the goal is to stop rich foreigners from going trophy hunting then the ban should only apply to rich foreign trophy hunters.
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How about Resident Canadians? Again, stop the rich foreigners but still allow it for Canadians.
 
BigUglyMan said:
How about Resident Canadians? Again, stop the rich foreigners but still allow it for Canadians.
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That's not a bad idea either, but is there a distinction within the hunting regs for that sort of thing? I know there is resident and non resident, but is non resident further split to Canadians and foreigners? I didn't think it is?

I would also be concerned that opening it to all of Canada might have the same negative paradigm. (eg is there really much difference in a rich guy from Toronto or Boston coming to BC for a grizz hunt?)
 
The ban is politically motivated and not made of sound science. And for the matter of fact that griz populations are stable, increasing or excessive in certain areas of BC based on my own experiences of calling in griz or seeing griz on every hunt support this notion for the East Kootenays. There is no decision making on rational science or data being used. So there is really no managing the issue when the masses of our population exist in Vancouver with their protectionist views.

Perhaps every MLA in the interior should pipe up and support their constituents as a start. Perhaps better resource management with funding that can be used to actually manage wildlife could be useful....but I rant. Regardless of whom may hunt, this is a slippery slope towards taking of rights without rational decision making. The fight remains real to keep what we may remain to have whether it be the hunt or the ability to use fire arms. Make your comments known. And remember the next time a Griz mauls or kills another person utilizing our woods or trails that ending a hunt may only help continue that problem.

My two cents.
Elky...
 
Suther said:
That's not a bad idea either, but is there a distinction within the hunting regs for that sort of thing? I know there is resident and non resident, but is non resident further split to Canadians and foreigners? I didn't think it is?

I would also be concerned that opening it to all of Canada might have the same negative paradigm. (eg is there really much difference in a rich guy from Toronto or Boston coming to BC for a grizz hunt?)
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resident, non resident and non resident alien ....
 
medvedqc said:
resident, non resident and non resident alien ....
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Fantastic then. I say we try to push for them to allow Canadians to keep the trophies then. The fact you'll need to harvest the meat means its not solely a trophy hunt, and it still sorta meets the campaign promise of ending the trophy hunt.
 
elkhuntr said:
The ban is politically motivated and not made of sound science. And for the matter of fact that griz populations are stable, increasing or excessive in certain areas of BC based on my own experiences of calling in griz or seeing griz on every hunt support this notion for the East Kootenays. There is no decision making on rational science or data being used. So there is really no managing the issue when the masses of our population exist in Vancouver with their protectionist views.

Perhaps every MLA in the interior should pipe up and support their constituents as a start. Perhaps better resource management with funding that can be used to actually manage wildlife could be useful....but I rant. Regardless of whom may hunt, this is a slippery slope towards taking of rights without rational decision making. The fight remains real to keep what we may remain to have whether it be the hunt or the ability to use fire arms. Make your comments known. And remember the next time a Griz mauls or kills another person utilizing our woods or trails that ending a hunt may only help continue that problem.

My two cents.
Elky...
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+1. When you get into thinking with your feelings to control others it gets us on the path of our current gun regulations. It may seem like a good idea when it doesn't effect you or benefits you but it will screw us all in the end.

What about people that already have trophies? How will you prove when and where? Should we start another government office to register them? What about other trophies? Elk, moose, sheep, goat horns, black bear? I'm not into hunting for trophies but some are. The morality of hunting for trophies or hunting at all is not a black or white question and should be considered and talked about with mutual respect for each other instead of being dictated by political con men virtue signalling their morality on a subject they know nothing about.
 
It doesn't matter if it's resident or guided non-resident we're talking Grizzly hunting and there's zero shortage of bears, and the fact folks are splintering in this very thread already and siding with the NDP narrative of "rich trophy hunters" is evidence to me the NDP is succeeding and smarter than we give them credit for.

The economic importance of the hunt is large on the non-resident side and an important bargaining tool, the natives who wish to continue to hunt Grizzly are a critical element due to the bands' traditional rights bargaining power, and the resident hunters including myself all have to stand together too. If we divide they've conquered. All of us are accepting of keeping the meat, that's just swell, but when they've already got the hunting fraternity sorting themselves into different corners in a province of growing Grizzly numbers and no concerns on the population, they've won a master stroke already.

These guys handed our small family business a loss that over the next ten years and considering territory value impacts is hundreds of thousands of dollars with one statement, because they felt like it. I've never even seen a resident hunter in six bear seasons where I guide and outfit and would shake his or her hand when I do. What I'm saying is we're not competing with each other and we're stronger together by far on Grizzly hunting.
 
Get rid of the dippers or the grizzly hunt ban will be just a start.
The dippers will tank your economy and hunting/gun rights in one fell swoop.
Just look one province over at alta for a case in point.
Don't need to consult anyone.
It's all about ideology not biology.
Not rocket science.
 
It doesn't matter if it's resident or guided non-resident we're talking Grizzly hunting and there's zero shortage of bears, and the fact folks are splintering in this very thread already and siding with the NDP narrative of "rich trophy hunters" is evidence to me the NDP is succeeding and smarter than we give them credit for.
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You can get people to agree to just about anything; just as long as it hurts someone that has more money than they do. Humans are so pathetic.
 
It doesn't matter if it's resident or guided non-resident we're talking Grizzly hunting and there's zero shortage of bears, and the fact folks are splintering in this very thread already and siding with the NDP narrative of "rich trophy hunters" is evidence to me the NDP is succeeding and smarter than we give them credit for.
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The dippers are definitely smarter than the ones agreeing with them.
It's all about ideology not biology.
But make sure to keep voting lpc or ndp.;)
 
Ardent said:
It doesn't matter if it's resident or guided non-resident we're talking Grizzly hunting and there's zero shortage of bears, and the fact folks are splintering in this very thread already and siding with the NDP narrative of "rich trophy hunters" is evidence to me the NDP is succeeding and smarter than we give them credit for.

The economic importance of the hunt is large on the non-resident side and an important bargaining tool, the natives who wish to continue to hunt Grizzly are a critical element due to the bands' traditional rights bargaining power, and the resident hunters including myself all have to stand together too. If we divide they've conquered. All of us are accepting of keeping the meat, that's just swell, but when they've already got the hunting fraternity sorting themselves into different corners in a province of growing Grizzly numbers and no concerns on the population, they've won a master stroke already.

These guys handed our small family business a loss that over the next ten years and considering territory value impacts is hundreds of thousands of dollars with one statement, because they felt like it. I've never even seen a resident hunter in six bear seasons where I guide and outfit and would shake his or her hand when I do. What I'm saying is we're not competing with each other and we're stronger together by far on Grizzly hunting.
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Angus i really like your spirit and the way you are thinking and talking. after Grizzly and trophy do you think they will stop there? i do think this is the beginning ...
 
Ardent said:
It doesn't matter if it's resident or guided non-resident we're talking Grizzly hunting and there's zero shortage of bears, and the fact folks are splintering in this very thread already and siding with the NDP narrative of "rich trophy hunters" is evidence to me the NDP is succeeding and smarter than we give them credit for.

The economic importance of the hunt is large on the non-resident side and an important bargaining tool, the natives who wish to continue to hunt Grizzly are a critical element due to the bands' traditional rights bargaining power, and the resident hunters including myself all have to stand together too. If we divide they've conquered. All of us are accepting of keeping the meat, that's just swell, but when they've already got the hunting fraternity sorting themselves into different corners in a province of growing Grizzly numbers and no concerns on the population, they've won a master stroke already.

These guys handed our small family business a loss that over the next ten years and considering territory value impacts is hundreds of thousands of dollars with one statement, because they felt like it. I've never even seen a resident hunter in six bear seasons where I guide and outfit and would shake his or her hand when I do. What I'm saying is we're not competing with each other and we're stronger together by far on Grizzly hunting.
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While I do agree with your points, listen to my perspective. Ending the hunt was a campaign promise from a government who is at risk of an election at almost any point. There is no amount of arguing the science that will change that.

I'm trying to come up with ideas that still include a ban on trophy hunting (its inevitable IMO) while limiting the impact to the rest of hunters. If the ndp end the hunt completely, I wouldn't trust the libs to reinstate it - public opinion on the topic would have to change for that to happen IMO.

As for Torontogungal, looking at Alberta tells us nothing about the economy. No government regardless of how conservative would have faired well when their entire economy is propped up by the oil industry and the price of oil went from $125 to $40. There are plenty of things you could blame on the NDP, but that isn't one of them.
 
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medvedqc said:
Angus i really like your spirit and the way you are thinking and talking. after Grizzly and trophy do you think they will stop there? i do think this is the beginning ...
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I disagree. Even among hunters, the grizzly hunt wasn't popular. Something like 58% of hunters polled (and over 70% of non hunters) were in favor of an outright ban according to a recent poll.

The greens are upset that the ndp didn't ban the hunt outright as well.

That same sentiment doesn't exist for ungulates (at least its not nearly as wide spread.)
 
I said it once before, they banned the GB so that the Anglo's will not be allowed to Hunt (profit) from Trophy GB.
The Natives will be allowed to provide the experience and the harvest for the all mighty $$.

Again, with this sudden New Consultation Process being offered it is putting the horse before the cart.

They (BC NDP)enacted legislation first and consulation last, kinda like how the BC Liberals proposed a New Crossing on the South Fraser River.
Ram rod it ahead and then consult later after contracts have been signed...we have yet to see the costs associated with the cancelling of that mega project.

Tiss a slam dunk in my thinly veiled conspiracy theory.

Unless the Guides/Outfitters take the Government to court over this Closure then nothing is going to change.

The facts are that there is no scientific evidence that the GB is in Danger of Extinction and they used emotion rather than scientific evidence to shut down a valued viable hunt based on nothing more than buying votes.

But hey , the BC Liberals have been buying votes for years on the backs of us tax payers.

Suther, the poll you speak of, where did it originate?

I was not polled nor was I offered an opinion as to whether or not the GB Hunt(Trophy hunting)should be banned.

My personal opinion on GB Hunting (Trophy Hunting) is one thing, but banning it and not allowing ME (BC Resident) to harvest the hide and the skull is another thing all together.

Rob
 
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Suther said:
I disagree. Even among hunters, the grizzly hunt wasn't popular. Something like 58% of hunters polled (and over 70% of non hunters) were in favor of an outright ban according to a recent poll.

The greens are upset that the ndp didn't ban the hunt outright as well.

That same sentiment doesn't exist for ungulates (at least its not nearly as wide spread.)
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You missed Phil's point, and the hunters they polled would have been largely casual meat hunters aiming to bag a deer or moose a year without having to travel too far or charter bushplanes. They need to poll the folks hunting in proper Grizzly country, the folks who actually have a clue on Grizzly hunting and populations, and what Grizz can do to a valley. Phil's point to summarise was, do you think they're stopping at Grizzlies? Ungulates aren't in the public mind much... now. This isn't an attack on Grizzly hunting, it's an attack on hunting period, and is only one of more encroachments to come if we're not careful and don't resist together. An encroachment based on emotional reasons not scientific ones I should add again. "Most" Canadians are against us owning more than one or two guns per person too, doesn't mean they know what they're voting on.
 
i can just bring up two experiences ... one from Europe where they aimed the hunters by reducing the right to possess firearms and now in Yukon where few years ago they wanted to reduce hunting of grizzlies from the southern road system because of tourists ... it took three public meetings in town to hear finally the Yukon conservation society and what their final was: ... end of any hunting for the hunters ...

bears are cute but what the antis have in mind is no more hunt and they are united ... us cant say ...

that is why i asked if some have the same feelings ...

on another note i do not know when the last study was done in BC for Grizzlies population but the last one done officially in Yukon is from 1985 ...

we have politicians over here talking about the ban and they are no more shy ...

forgot to add we already lost the special guiding for grizzly hunting few years ago ...outfitters pushed their agenda and won (or they think so ...)
 
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