Another pistol storage question.

[Ryanm33]

Since the storage laws are vague on what counts as a gun safe, does anyone have experience dealing with RCMP or CFO on storage?
This is at my local Costco for $49.97.

https://www.sevilleclassics.com/ultrahd-locker-gear-cabinet?pid=689

Its about the same quality as a school locker or a stack on gun cafe from Canadian tire( only double the size and half the price). It is has a lock and I can secure i to the wall with lag bolts. It will be used to store restricted and non-restricted firearms, as well as ammo.
My only concern is with this statement:
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.

Since it was not built specially for firearms will this count? Does anyone use school type lockers?

 

[FoxAlpha]

You can store firearms in whatever you so choose, if it's NR they're fine under any locked box like structure.
Restricted however, would require addition of an action or trigger lock to meet safe storage standards using the cabinet in the link.

The simplest way to go about it is this. If the title or description calls it a safe, it's a safe. If it's called a cabinet, it's a cabinet.

The text you've quoted is typically only related to storing restricted firearms without the use of a secondary locking device like a trigger lock.


When in doubt, contact the CFO's office.

 

[Ryanm33]

Thanks for the advice, I thought you always had to have a trigger lock on a restricted firearm no matter what it was stored in? I intend to use a trigger lock along with this cabinet if the cabinet is acceptable.

 

[bsand]

Thanks for the advice, I thought you always had to have a trigger lock on a restricted firearm no matter what it was stored in? I intend to use a trigger lock along with this cabinet if the cabinet is acceptable.

That is a locker. You need a trigger lock. Now if you bought a "safe", then you do not need trigger locks (entire reason why I got one).

 

[Ryanm33]

That is a locker. You need a trigger lock. Now if you bought a "safe", then you do not need trigger locks (entire reason why I got one).

Thanks for the info! It clears things up. I should have read it a little closer before posting. I thought the instructor at the restricted course said you always need a trigger lock. But it's there in writing that you don't with a safe. I think I'll stick with the costco cabinet and a cable lock.

 

[BDSL]

Look up precedent Barnes case. A school locker is deemed as a safe. Therefore, no tigger lock required.

 

[trebor2880]

When it comes to doing time, or spending a lot of it in court, I'd rather play it safe and get a real safe. That way there will be no disputing the fact that it is a safe. If it's marketed as a safe, it's a safe.

 

[Kidd X]

A safe is expensive but most are fire rated and can do double duty by storing both guns and valuables like wills, deed to property, etc.

 

[Attilathecanuk]

I have trigger locks on my restricteds while in my guns ‘safes’ which are bolted down in my specially constructed gun room(locked solid core door with hardened walls). It is easy enough to go above the minimum requirements so why not?

 

[Wester]

Regarding a locker, cabinet or safe. Think of this, in your defence will your lawyer be able to show the court exhibit #1, the product manual for your storage choice. Is it titled "cabinet" "locker" or "safe"? Your punishment may be based on what the court sees it as. I prefer an actual safe.

 

[FoxAlpha]

Regarding a locker, cabinet or safe. Think of this, in your defence will your lawyer be able to show the court exhibit #1, the product manual for your storage choice. Is it titled "cabinet" "locker" or "safe"? Your punishment may be based on what the court sees it as. I prefer an actual safe.

This I agree with 100%, play it safe and buy one.
That being said, in my broke ass days I couldn't afford a real one and bought one of those goofy mini safes from Cambodia tire.
While I agree again, a product manual may not hold up in court, but documented emails with photos and the CFO signing off on its "safe" like qualities should more than suffice.
Which is why I always recommend people who seek firearms legal advice from forums, should just contact their CFO.

 

[stevebc]

I have trigger locks on my restricteds while in my guns ‘safes’ which are bolted down in my specially constructed gun room(locked solid core door with hardened walls). It is easy enough to go above the minimum requirements so why not?

You aren't required to have a full roll cage, helmet, fire extinguisher and a 5 point harness in your car, but you could do that if you wanted to, I guess.

 

[stevebc]

Regarding a locker, cabinet or safe. Think of this, in your defence will your lawyer be able to show the court exhibit #1, the product manual for your storage choice. Is it titled "cabinet" "locker" or "safe"? Your punishment may be based on what the court sees it as. I prefer an actual safe.

Your lawyer can point to the Barnes decision.

 

[stevebc]

This I agree with 100%, play it safe and buy one.
That being said, in my broke ass days I couldn't afford a real one and bought one of those goofy mini safes from Cambodia tire.
While I agree again, a product manual may not hold up in court, but documented emails with photos and the CFO signing off on its "safe" like qualities should more than suffice.
Which is why I always recommend people who seek firearms legal advice from forums, should just contact their CFO.

A much better source would be a lawyer who specializes in gun law.

I wouldn't trust or believe a word any CFO had to say on the subject.

 

[Chilidip]

documented emails with photos and the CFO signing off on its "safe" like qualities should more than suffice.

There is more chance of monkeys magically flying out of your ass today.

 

[bythehour]

There is more chance of monkeys magically flying out of your ass today.

Ha! Sad but true. I asked the Ontario CFO office a question about safe storage. All I got was a refer nice to the RCMP website and a polite refusal to elaborate.

 

[Yogi05]

"Built or modified specifically to store firearms safely" refers to a room, not the vault or safe.

Punctuation has a purpose.

 

[dogzilla]

I have a proper safe. I still keep most of my pistols trigger locked just for convenience. They have to be transported trigger locked anyway, so I just grab the gun I want and toss it in the case and go

 

[Wendell]

...I thought...

Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations (SOR/98-209)
<http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/index.html>

 

[Sksnorth]

I am buying a safe for restricted I.e pistols...So saying that legally I dont need trigger locks?...can the ammunition be stored in there also without a separate locked case...And of course unloaded....This would be double lagged to wall and floor.